One thing that became clear doing the presentation is that we need a fast way to install updates after the initial install. Some people don't have a fast Internet connection or have none at all, so the first time Ubuntu looks for updates it can take a while and a newbie may wonder if this is going to happen every time the computer is booted up. I haven't checked yet but I bet updates can be grabbed off a repository, burned to a CD/DVD and added to the source list that the package manager references. I'll try to look into this when I return from SCaLE5x, but if anyone wants to tackle it in the meanwhile, please do. :-) Dennis -- Phoenix Linux Users Group "Penguins in the desert"