Speaking of PMP's, I did the same a few years ago.  I wanted something with a 
good sized HD, (30+gb) that played MP3, FLAC, WMA, WAV, OGG and found 
iRiver's IHP140.  Had a 40gb HD, FM tuner and optical In/Out.  Could record 
to WAV or to MP3.  At the time, it was 249, $100 cheaper than Apple's 30mb 
Ipod, but with more features...

Also, Linux see's it as a USB attached storage device using VFat, so they are 
linux R/W compatible.  There is a python program to build the database if you 
wish to use it (the database does play by Album, artist, song, genre...but is 
not necessary to xfer files.)

iRiver still support OGG, just make sure you read the labels.  

http://www.iriveramerica.com

Fry's, carries them as well.


On Tuesday 26 December 2006 3:01 pm, stu wrote:
> 	Anyone who knows better, feel free to correct me on this if I'm wrong...
> 	My son has gone through a few CD players over the years, and it's been my
> experience that almost all of them WILL play OGG files. The same seems to
> be true with playing audio files in most home CD/DVD players as well (Look
> at any commercial audio CD filesystem in your computer, and you'll see OGG
> files are present on them as well). So, why does it seem to be kept such a
> secret? I was shopping around for a PMP that played OGG files this
> Christmas, and had very limited success. Here's as much of an explanation
> as I could figure out from the research I did on the matter.
> 	I seems that the DMCA, which is the law that makes it illegal to copy any
> copy protected digital material for pretty much *any* reason, relies
> heavily on DRM to enforce it. DRM is basically a MicroSoft invention, and
> MicroSoft refuses to work with open formats like Ogg/Vorbis because they
> cannot control the open source development of them. Since MicroSoft
> controls 95% of the desktop market, that makes it essentially *illegal* to
> sell or promote Ogg/Vorbis friendly hardware in the U.S. of A. no matter
> how popular the format is in the rest of the world. It's a grey area to be
> sure, but grey enough that US merchants won't touch it.
> 	If I want an Ogg/Vorbis compatible PMP, I'll likely have to order one from
> England.
>
> On Monday 25 December 2006 6:48 pm, der.hans wrote:
> > moin moin,
> >
> > I've been looking for a car stereo that plays ogg for my $gf for a long
> > time. Mostly, I haven't been all that serious, but in the last couple of
> > month I decided it was time to finally replace the borken unit she has.
> >
> > I started with the list from xiph.
> >
> > http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/StaticPlayers#Car_Audio
> >
> > Doesn't look too promising. I searched for several of them online, but
> > was unable to find them available.
> >
> > I finally broke down and went to a couple of stores. I found nothing that
> > mentioned ogg, vorbis or flac. Hadn't expected to.
> >
> > Found no one that had heard of them either. Hadn't expected to. One of
> > the sales guys at a Best Buy suggested I bring in a CD and try it.
> >
> > Finally got a chance a few days ago. I went equipped with a CD of ogg
> > I've burned ( and it turns out I also got some mp3s off a podcast I grab
> > ), a USB thumb drive with ogg from a local band ( www.TravelerMusic.com )
> > and an SD card with a mix of ogg and mp3.
> >
> > Haven't used CF for so long I didn't have any with me.
> >
> > I walked into another Best Buy and after getting permission from the
> > sales guy I started sticking my devices into decks they had up for
> > display. As it turned out the 3 I tried all worked. Well, for some value
> > of worked.
> >
> > All 3 had USB ports. First I tried the less expensive of the two JVC
> > units with USB ports. Stuck the thumb drive in and Traveler came up, no
> > problems. I was amazed.
> >
> > Next I tried a pioneer, I think. It also worked. Finally I tried an
> > insignia ( turns out this is the Best Buy in house brand ). That also
> > worked.
> >
> > I tried the CD in all three. The Insigna model played off off the CD just
> > fine. The other two only played the mp3s :(. The Insignia also has an SD
> > slot. off played from that as well. I was sold.
> >
> > Insignia's NS-C5111 CD Car deck
> >
> > http://www.insignia-products.com/pc-127-16-insignia-40w-x-4-ipod-ready-cd
> >-d eck-with-cd-rrwmp3wma-playback.aspx
> >
> > Best Buy also offers a 4 year replacement warrantee for $20. $gf now has
> > a car stereo that's warranteed to play ogg for 4 years. At that point
> > either ogg support will be easy to get or it'll be irrelevant.
> >
> > She's overjoyed about the new stereo and happy that she'll be able to
> > create her own mobile collections because she knows how to use thumb
> > drives and SD cards.
> >
> > It looked like all 3 were picking up the tags from the files. I'll test
> > the Insignia more once we have it installed.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans