moin moin, one of ABLEconf's goalѕ is to promote businesses using FOSS. We have a track that's explicitly for companies to come advertise what they do. We aren't charging to participate in the track. Free Software is great. We need businesses to use it. For that reason, we should be helping market the businesses that do use it. While ABLEconf is new ( this is our second year ), I think I have a well-established track record for not being fly-by-night. Give us a chance and help us out. If you want to help with tech and entrepreneurship in Arizona participate in activities like ABLEconf or the other activities Alan listed. If they aren't providing what you feel is necessary help to add that feature. Heck, help us all work together. ABLEconf is a project of many groups, so getting these other groups involved would be great. We're also willing to work on other projects, but we're currently a bit busy setting up ABLEconf and Software Freedom Day activities :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould