Am 14. Mai, 2009 schwätzte Ryan Rix so: moin moin, > Why hasn't the FSF done anything about this as much as cell phones are a > part of this culture? The FSF does a lot. If you want it to do more get directly involved and make donations :). Make donations to EFF as well :). Is the Krave ZN4 out there and do we have access to make updates? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3087955289.html What about the Palm Pre with Sprint? How open will it be? I'm pretty sure it's locked to Sprint for a while, but will we be able to do our own updates and add non-signed apps? There used to be an A1200 or something like that from Motorola. Had I known about it years ago I'd've probably moved to it. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html http://koolu.com/ So, OpenMoko/FreeRunner Android/FreeRunner Android/G1 Pre Krave ZN4 Anything else on the list? It's great that we have 4 phones to choose from. We need to support them. Tuna will be helping me update my OpenMoko at the Avondale Stammtisch Wednesday if I don't get to it this weekend. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # Wer bereit ist, grundlegende Freiheiten aufzugeben, um sich # kurzfristige Sicherheit zu verschaffen, der hat weder Freiheit # noch Sicherheit verdient. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)