David, I've liked Linux since I first came to know about it, which was around 1998. I hope to become M$ free this year. Linux meets all of my needs, however that was not always the case. I used to salivate over MACs. They are expensive. I over bought about 10 years ago. My Daily is an i5 with 4 cores and 4 threads. I updated it to 16GB of RAM years ago and changed to an SSD. I run Kubuntu on it. I have a second box that is almost identical that is not getting any use. I bought a Dell mini tower about 10 years ago that might have an i3 and 6GB of RAM. Did not complete the project I bought it for. I was going to build a LAMP+ web server and host one of my web sites. Still on my radar. I have a lot of old hardware that I can install Linux on and do a project. The reason I like Linux over the MAC is I own old hardware, and MAC is too expensive. My friend who owns a data center told me he prefers MAC over Linux because he is tired of fixing Linux. I attended a Drupal conference at ASU more than a few years ago and most everyone owned MAC. I did not know there was a bias on the list. - Keith On 2025-05-03 21:30, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Would someone kindly tell me what’s so special about their favorite > version of Linux is versus MacOS, which is a BSD Unix derivative? > > I’ve think I’ve mentioned my harem of Macs: > > * 2014 Mac Mini > * 2014 MacBook Pro > * 2018 Mac Mini > * 2024 Mac Mini > > They’re all still working just fine, except the MBP’s battery is > bloating up for the 2nd time. (I hardly use it and if you keep it > plugged-in, the battery bloats up.) > > I get newer ones because they get faster, handle more RAM and SSD, and > the OS can’t be upgraded past a certain point. Which is why I keep the > older ones around. (The older ones let you upgrade RAM and some the > SSD. With the newer ones, you’re stuck with what it comes with.) > > One of them (2018) has a VirtualBox VM on that runs Win10 that I do all > of my Windows-dependent stuff on. I don’t see why I’d need to upgrade > it to Win11, and nobody here has given me anything worth considering. > > BTW, I have an older Acer box (maybe from 2000) that’s a bit smaller > than an old Mac Mini that runs Win XP; if anybody wants it to run Linux > on for some reason, let me know. > > My point is, the hardware gets old, sometimes degrades (ie, the battery > on the MBP), the latest OS and apps can no longer be upgraded, but it > still works fine if you want to keep using it. I’m not sure why my > older Mac Minis still keep running but everybody thinks my Win10 > machines are going to turn into nuclear bombs in a few months just > because MS stops updating them. Cripes, do you know how hard it is to > keep Windows from constatly updating itself anyway? MacOS keeps asking > even though it’s says it can’t if I say OK! > > I have apps on both my 2014 and 2018 Mac Minis that will stop working > if I upgrade the OS, so I refuse. > > And now it seems you can’t run VMs on M-series CPUs that contain any > version of Windows unless you use one specific version of Parallels > with an ARM-based version of Windows, and it reportedly runs slower > than crap. > > Just for fun, I went from 36GB of RAM to 64GB in my 2018 model and > where before the fan would constantly be running, now it never comes > on. > > Macs run Unix. It’s not like I’m a crazy-ass Mac fan — I just find them > to be WAY more stable than Windows machines. > > When I need to get down to the command-line, the *nix shell is FAR more > powerful than the DOS Command line. But I rarely ever need to do that > on ANY of them lately. I think the only reasons I’ve run the Mac’s > Terminal is to use the shell to find some specific files because find > piped into grep works a whole lot better than the search bar in the > Finder. > > So while I understand (and share) the “anti-Windows” sentiments here, I > don’t get the “pro-Linux” but “anti-Mac” attitude because Macs are all > Unix machines at their core. > > I’ve tossed out maybe a dozen DOS and Windows machines in my life. My > first Mac (a first gen Intel iMac) died and I actually sold it on eBay > for almost $500! I’ve bought and sold some other Macs and never had to > toss a single one into the trash. I’m not eager to replace the battery > on my MBP again, but it will still be way cheaper than a new MBP. > > -David Schwartz > > >> On May 3, 2025, at 4:10 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Rusty!! I agree!! >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss