I posted a video to YouTube about "is college worth it" This is my personal experience : https://youtu.be/r-QXn8clLoQ On 2023-07-16 20:03, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote: > There was no judgement in my statements - just observations and > arithmetic. Nor am I making any assertion about value - indeed, for > my current role, my value is only determined by the lack of Eric > Snowden type of security breaches. > > If you want to hear judgements, I can digress on how > government-backed, guaranteed, student loans inflated the price of > education, and how the government should have never gotten involved > with it and they shouldn't have nationalized it, but I won't :) Funny > you should mention the competition. I had a friend from Singapore who > had to go to England for her Undergraduate degree and then to the US > for her Graduate because she couldn't get into college in Singapore. > > I have been a staunch supporter of the college system in this country, > but I work with people who have no college, and some of us have > Graduate degrees. For the field I'm in, one could self-learn and > avoid college. And as I retrain for my next career, I have also > returned to college and am becoming very disillusioned. The > curriculum is teaching tool sets rather than concepts, and at this > point, I can pick up some vendor training and certifications for > freehttps://youtu.be/r-QXn8clLoQ > and some 4-day industry workshops for the same price as a 3 semester > hour class. So why should I go to college? > > Regards, > > George Toft > > On 7/7/2023 2:39 PM, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> :So you're saying the Indians and Argientinans obviously deserved >> the job more than you since they would do the same work for less >> money? Also, why would an American be better at the job than >> someone from anywhere else? Or are you saying you are better than >> most of your peers in general, you're part of the 20% of your >> profession who generate 80% of the value. I mean the competition to >> get into a third-world government university is fierce, especially >> if it's ranked. The selectivity of admission rates match MIT and >> Stanford, theoretically Indian and Chinese computer scientists as a >> population should outperform their European, and even more their >> American competition. >> >> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM George Toft via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >>> The only shortage that exists is technical people with Bachelors >>> Degrees >>> willing to work for minimum wage. >>> >>> Case in point. My employer is required to post HR crap in the >>> public >>> spaces (break rooms). One of the posts showed Tata Consultancy >>> was >>> providing a DBA for $66K/year. Tata takes 1/3 (typical), so the >>> resource is getting $44K/year ($22/hr). My kids make more than >>> that >>> with a High School education. This is what the young people are >>> competing against, so why go into this field? >>> >>> Another case in point. My job got outsourced to Argentina and the >>> >>> resources were getting $6/hr. I later heard it got raised to >>> $10/hr. >>> That was still 1/4 of what I was making. Even if the Argentinians >>> >>> screwed up and had to rework a task, the company still saved 50% >>> over >>> hiring an American on that task, and they are elated at the cost >>> savings. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> George Toft >>> >>> On 6/7/2023 3:29 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>> On 2023-06-07 13:59, James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>> Generally, if I hear it from cable news, there's a good chance >>> it's >>>>> just someone drumming up support for something. In this case, >>> we'll >>>>> probably hear about some kind of H1B system to make sure the >>> new fabs >>>>> get all the people they need, etc. Same deal as when I was >>> working at >>>>> a company that got bought by Dell, and they failed to retain >>> most of >>>>> the new employees because they didn't have a structure that >>> worked >>>>> with professionals. Suddenly you saw Michael Dell doing an >>> interview >>>>> on CNBC about the need to extend H1B 'cause they aren't getting >>> enough >>>>> workers. At the very least, there's plenty of incentive to >>> drive down >>>>> labor costs. And with the halts for new housing going out, >>> there is a >>>>> LOT of incentive to manipulate the market. >>>>> >>>>> Am I being paranoid? I probably need to touch more grass. >>>> >>>> Are you getting too paranoid? Maybe not. I quit following the >>> news >>>> because I think most are fearmongering and not talking and >>> working on >>>> the real problems. >>>> >>>> I personally do not like the H1B visas because I do not think >>> they are >>>> necessary. If there is really a shortage of tech workers then >>> why is >>>> there not a few major tech universities? Why does Gates exploit >>> the >>>> H1B and not create a really great tech university? And why do >>> the >>>> politicians allow all of this? >>>> >>>> We have all we need right here in our 50 states, so why do we >>> not do >>>> things that benefit ourselves and possibly others? >>>> >>>> These people like Michael Dell, Bill Gates, etc have forgotten >>> where >>>> they came from. >>>> >>>> QUESTION? >>>> >>>> I understand TSMC produces the most chips in the world, and is >>> located >>>> in Taiwan . Where did they get that technology and who paid for >>> that >>>> technology? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 1:15 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I've read >>> that >>>>>> Abraham Lincoln blames Donald Trump for giving the gun to John >>>>>> Wilkes Booth. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/6/23 17:45, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>>>> Chip maker TSMC is moving to chandler and I have read they >>> are a >>>>>>> sweatshop.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> James McPhee >>>>> jmcphe@gmail.com >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss