On 2023-07-13 18:38, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >> Ok, Thanks!! I have an HP laptop running Win 10 Pro that I use to > make >> videos. It has 8GB of ram and an m.2. It is about 6 years old. It > is > > using 41% of RAM... Yikes!! > > I really have to wonder how the browsers work like that with so little > ram, they will tend to use as much or as little as you have, and > aren't shy about having their way with pagefiles if not. > > I say this as with 128gb of ram, under linux (any) it's not uncommon > to see firefox and worse chrome when I'm busy with multiple customers > and browser profiles using 30-40gb of said ram. I use a lot of > windows/tabs, I run for weeks or months between session restarts, and > various research professional or otherwise, I'll open dozens of tabs > on each easily. To hear people use 4-8gb seems crazy to me. My > system lets me know, and used to with *only* 64gb that "hey arsehole, > you need to upgrade!" with OOM's. > You are on the extreme. On my laptop I may have one browser open with 2 - 4 tabs max. Add to that video edition software. My wife uses one browser and I am not sure she knows about tabs.. maybe, if so she might have 2 to 4 tabs open at any given time. >> My wife could get by with a netbook. > > Never hurts to earn some points. Maybe a special dessert for your > consideration. > I get it.... >> Next go around I'm going to build anything I need except laptops. >> Before 2005 I built everything. > > Best desktop-ish I've had for a while now is a factory-built Dell > Precision T7910, dual xeon cpu, 128gb of ram, super silent, I use it > for proxmox now vs actual desktop, but used to. I like Proxmox and think it would be cool to configure it like you are. > Not sure I'd build my > own vs. buy good bones and augment like I did this with good > ram/disks. I've long used Dell Latitude, XPS, Precision, and as long > as you get good models, they're tight and work forever. Get the cheap > Inspirons or others, you get what you pay for. I'll bet your laptop cost a few grand. > > If you want a laptop to "build" (or enhance), look at Framework, their > 13" and soon 16" are pretty sweet, built to be serviceable/upgradable, > and will probably be my next purchase once the 16" is out. My Lenovo > Thinkpad is pretty good hardware at the core, but things like their > TB4 dock and even their jank website annoy the hell out of me. It > doesn't even work in firefox under linux. I figure I will not upgrade for several more years. I think things will change a lot. When I upgrade I want something(s) with lots of cores/threads and lots of RAM so I can have lots of options like Proxmox running multiple different things all at once. I'm interested in the Rasberry PI also... would be interesting to build a home web server on multiple PIs. Keith > > -mb > > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 1:19 PM wrote: > >> On 2023-07-13 10:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> Well that's about what I was expecting you'd see... >>> >>> First, start with getting her more memory, I'm amazed it'll even >> run >>> and start a browser with only 4gb of ram. Firefox/Chrome alone >> uses a >>> good 8-20gb of ram at a time for my normal usage, anything else >> will >>> just sit in swap/pagefile (which is why your disks are running >>> overtime). >> >> Ok, Thanks!! I have an HP laptop running Win 10 Pro that I use to >> make >> videos. It has 8GB of ram and an m.2. It is about 6 years old. It >> is >> using 41% of RAM... Yikes!! >> >>> I'd say no less than 16gb for any reasonable modern use, >> --- >>> or if her I'd divorce you for less. >> >> Funny!! >> >>> >>> Second, get rid of the spinner disk, or at least move it to a role >> as >>> a secondary drive for storage. Putting the OS on any SSD will >> make it >>> feel like lightning comparatively. If you can, put an m.2 >> directly in >>> a pci-e slot with a slot adapter, that'll be your fastest choice, >> or >>> any sata-based SSD as a fallback. >>> >>> Between ram and new ssd, it should rip even with an older >> processor. >> >> Does not need to be fire breathing. Seems quickest fix would be to >> upgrade to 8GB of RAM based off of my HP's performance. >> >> My wife could get by with a netbook. >> >>> >>> You can probably reinstall the dell image clean downloading it >> from >>> dell and keep using the oem key (they're baked into the hardware), >> but >>> they're usually riddled with crapware and demos.. You're better >> off >>> getting a clean win10 build for $7 bucks from gkeys. >>> >> >> I do not like all the add-ons they provide either!! >> >> Next go around I'm going to build anything I need except laptops. >> Before 2005 I built everything. >> >> Thank you for all your help!! >> >>> -mb >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 9:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you to all who replied. >>>> >>>> I spent over an hour on trying to figure this out. >>>> >>>> I opened the Event Viewer and discovered the system was using 94% >> of >>>> >>>> memory and 100% of the disk in idle mode. >>>> >>>> This computer is running Windows 10 pro with 4GB of ram and and 4 >>>> cores >>>> and 4 threads. Is has a rust spinner. >>>> >>>> This is my wife's computer and she uses it for limited email, >> some >>>> google searching, and mostly to watch YouTube. This computer >> gets >>>> used >>>> very little. >>>> >>>> It has been slow from the beginning. >>>> >>>> One of the issues was once the computer went into sleep mode it >>>> would >>>> take forever to wake up so I turned off sleep mode. >>>> >>>> What I found was hundreds of things running in the background. >> Not >>>> sure >>>> why and it was unclear what was the memory hog. >>>> >>>> I was puzzled what was going on with the HD. Disk properties >> showed >>>> >>>> 825GB of 915GB free. I tried to scan and it said the disk had >>>> issues. >>>> So I let it troubleshoot and it fixed it in about 10 minutes. It >> did >>>> not >>>> report what the actual issue was. >>>> >>>> I monkeyed with the background processes and got the memory usage >>>> down >>>> to 86%. >>>> >>>> I know next to nothing about managing windows so I do not want to >>>> monkey >>>> with it much more. >>>> >>>> At this point I am thinking of creating a reinstall disk or USB >> and >>>> while I'm at it instating a SSD. Newegg has some really good >> deals >>>> on >>>> SSD. >>>> >>>> Since this is a Dell computer I suspect the Win install will not >>>> complain about the different HD. >>>> >>>> Will an OEM install require a key? >>>> >>>> Any thoughts are most welcome. >>>> >>>> Keith >>>> >>>> On 2023-07-07 17:06, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>> Thank you so much!! Might be a couple days before I can work on >>>> it >>>>> again. I'll let you know how things go. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2023-07-07 15:40, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>>>>> Task manager and/or Resource Manager should show you where your >>>>>> bottlenecks lie, but sounds like either disk (spinner vs ssd), >>>> memory, >>>>>> or cpu is getting pegged. This should show you what processes >>>> are >>>>>> using said cpu/memory/io, either kill them, or feed them more >>>> hardware >>>>>> resources. The sysinternals tools like process explorer and >> such >>>> are >>>>>> also helpful in seeing applications and/or system processes >>>> freaking >>>>>> out, including more hidden ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> If still a spinner disk, the best thing you could do is get her >>>> any >>>>>> SSD to run the OS and primary apps on alone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could be windoze is just trashed after a while with >> applications >>>>>> coming and going, upgrading, breaking stuff, etc. Might be >> worth >>>>>> trying a clean restore of the system and/or wiping the disks >> with >>>>>> zero's to reset state ala fragmentation or if ssd, needing a >>>> reset >>>>>> with secure erase. >>>>>> >>>>>> -mb >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is mostly off topic given this is a Linux List. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have two separate work areas in my house. I have my home >>>> office >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> is doing well. I am using my Linux Ubuntu desktop to send >> this >>>>>>> email. >>>>>>> My Linux machine is hardwired. This is my main box. I also >>>> have a >>>>>>> Win >>>>>>> 10 Pro laptop that I use to make and edit YouTube videos. My >>>>>>> editing >>>>>>> software only works on Win and MAC. This laptop is connected >>>> via >>>>>>> WIFI. >>>>>>> No Problems. The O/S loads reasonably fast. My video editing >>>>>>> software >>>>>>> loads reasonably fast and the rendering process takes a bit >> but >>>> not >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> bad. This is a 6 year old HP - nothing fancy and it works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My wife's office in another spare bedroom and she has a Dell >>>>>>> mini-tower >>>>>>> Win 10 ... I want to say pro as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is where I need help. My wife's dell is very slow and has >>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>> with loading Firefox and it takes a while to load YouTube >>>> videos. >>>>>>> Even >>>>>>> windows takes a while to load which make me think it is a >> local >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> (the Dell box). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am reaching out because I do not know how to troubleshoot >> this >>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any help much appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keith >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss