I think the scripters are vulnerable, however the compSci folks will be the ones creating apps that create apps. On 2023-06-06 09:40, trent shipley via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I'm saying it doesn't write code. It doesn't have to. > > Business wants results with minimally acceptable quality. You build > the AI. You train the AI. You get minimally acceptable results. You > tinker with the AI if desired. > > But the AI does not deliver code. It delivers useful results within > statistically acceptable tolerances. > > It doesn't make coders obsolete, it makes CODE obsolete. (Except for > the AI experts' code to build, manage, and improve the AI > ) > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2023, 08:30 James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> Try copilot and see all the wonderful ways you've never thought of >> to make terrible code even if it passes tests. Programming the AI >> to write ok code is harder than writing the code right now. >> >> I'm all for the AI stuff. It's great as a convenient method to >> google, etc. And codefill is... eh. If you have a reasonable >> amount of code in your base already, it can do pretty good at >> boilerplate. Probably helps out 1/4 of the time above standard IDE >> library stuff. (totally scientific measurement of "eh, this"). >> >> Here's the thing. In any system you have a certain amount of >> complexity (entropy) that makes your thing different from the other >> folk. Reducing boilerplate and the total amount of work to specify >> the complexity is fair game, but if you add too much complexity to >> the language to reduce complexity of typing it, that's where things >> lose out. Perhaps AI can help with this, reduce the load on our >> poor hooman brains to remember the various options. >> >> Where it will definitely have an effect is repeated tasks (making >> another web frontend router) and information retrieval. >> >> Just my thoughts on it. >> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 8:07 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> We are worried about AI learning to do programming and taking over >> programming jobs. >> >> Modern AI doesn't produce code, it makes writing a lot of code >> unnecessary. >> >> It may not be that programmers become obsolete but that coding as we >> know it now becomes obsolete. >> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 3:25 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> I don't get it... >> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:03 AM trent shipley via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >> Pointy haired manager to programmer: We are thinking of replacing >> programming with AI. >> >> Programmer: Don't you mean you plan to replace programmers with AI. >> >> PHM: No, replace programming itself. >> >> P: How? Why? >> >> PHM: Well, the Big, Poorly Understood AI produces really good >> results without actually writing code. >> >> P: Go on... >> >> PHM: Plus it's cheap and really, really prolific and efficient. >> >> P: Sure, but its quality is awful!! >> >> PHM: So is the quality of your software, all software, really. >> >> P. Yeah, but the AI's quality is MUCH worse! >> >> PHM: Yes, but the AI is so affordable, efficient, and prolific, >> that the wrongful death lawsuits will be just a cost of doing >> business, and we'll still come out ahead according to the actuaries. >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> -- >> >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- > James McPhee > jmcphe@gmail.com --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss