Hi Daniel, I assume you are running on a 1 vCPU with 1GB of RAM? I tried that on DigitalOcean and the server would crash as soon as I ran a simple PHP script. I had to give it more memory to get it to work. What is the secret? Also what do you do for mail? On 2023-04-06 22:16, Daniel Stasinski via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I've been using vultr.com [3] for many years now. $5 a month for a > virtual server on which I did a full LAMP installation, etc. > > Daniel P. Stasinski > daniel@GenericInbox.com > ✞ _Jesus Is King _✞ > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 9:08 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> I don’t know how helpful this is, but … the best time to buy >> hosting is Black Friday. >> >> For points (1) and (3), this might help. >> >> First, if I’m understanding (3) correctly, I think you want to be >> looking at a “Reseller” type of account. By itself, cPanel is >> for ONE account/domain. They have a thing called a “Reseller” >> panel, WHM (Web Hosting Manager), that lets you set up some number >> of independent cPanel accounts. Ignore the name, it’s just a way >> to manage multiple cPanel accounts if you need them. If you want to >> build and manage multiple sites for yourself and/or clients, this is >> the way to go. >> >> If you want to actually BE a hosting “reseller”, then you’ll >> also need WHMCS or something like that to handle your billing. Some >> places include it with WHM, most offer it as an option. If you >> don’t need billing, save your money and don’t get it. >> >> Sometimes some places offer big discounts, but the only thing >> consistent with most of them is they offer SOME discount BUT … it >> only applies to your FIRST INVOICE. Meaning that if you have a >> monthly plan, it only applies to the first month’s bill. But if >> you get a 3-year plan, it’s for the whole 3-year term. >> >> On Black Friday, they’ll usually offer a plan upgrade for free >> PLUS the discount. So you’d get a 30-50 site reseller plan for the >> price of a 15-25 site plan. Or on a single account, they’d offer >> the next step up, like Silver instead of Bronze for the Bronze >> price. >> >> I personally prefer cPanel and WHM, mostly b/c I’ve been using >> them for a very long time and am used to how they work. >> >> However, there are tweaks that hosting providers can make that are >> often done to reduce their support overhead rather than help >> customers get our jobs done better. One case i point is NameCheap >> — I love them for domain registrations, but their hosting SUCKS! >> They have so many weird restrictions compared to other cPanel/WHM >> providers that it’s silly. When I’d ask, their canned reply was >> “for security reasons”. I’m sorry, but disabling the ability >> to click on the little cPanel icon in a row in WHM to open cPanel >> for that account does not strike me as security related. Doing so is >> quick and easy, but it restricts what you can do to a certain extent >> on the target account, because you’re not logged-in as the account >> holder — and I suspect your average user doesn’t understand >> that. As a result, it probably increaes their support tickets, so >> they disabled it. Several cPanel features are limited or blocked as >> well for the same excuse. I’ve never encountered this anywhere >> else. >> >> I was at one place for a while, Eleven2, and they were pretty good, >> but on Sept 2nd of last year, they suddenly switched-out cPanel/WHM >> for a totally different control panel! It was totally unannounced, >> with no advance warning, no way to go back, and I had problems for >> over a month. I paid for one year of cPanel/WHM hosting, and they >> just took it away and replaced it with something else. No apologies, >> no discussion, no warnings. Just “poof” and here ya go. >> >> Come Black Friday, I found a great deal on hosting from >> WebHostingWorld.net [2] and paid for a year of SSD-based Reseller >> (cPanel/WHM) access with 50 sites for a 50% discount — it worked >> out to about $12/mo. Screaming deal. >> >> Most cPanel/WHM hosts have raised their prices to reflect what >> cPanel has done. So a 15-user WHM account works out to $20/mo or so. >> >> The nice thing about cPanel is that if you want to change hosts, the >> new ones can move your old account over in about 30 seconds — >> it’s built into the Admin side of the platform. The only >> shortcoming is that it messes up whatever Packages you have defined. >> Most of the support folks don’t even really know what this means, >> but you’ll find out the first time you try adding another account >> in WHM and the only Package options you have are the defaults that >> WHM offers — yours got lost in the move, but they still show up on >> the old accounts. >> >> I was with HostGator for quite a while, but after they got bought by >> the “Borg” company buying up so many other hosting providers, >> their support went to crap. Many others as well. Stay away from the >> whole bunch of them. >> >> As for (2), most will NOT give you SSH access. PERIOD. I did ask my >> current guys and they said they’d hook me up with a restricted >> shell on a per-account basis. >> >> That said, you really only need it if you’re going to install some >> kind of script that requires you go do it from a command shell. >> >> cPanel has a File Manager in it that lets you do pretty much >> anything you can do in a Windows Explorer or Mac Finder window, >> including editing .access files. >> >> I also have a Windows VPN hosted at VirMach. They’re ok, and I got >> a great price — I think it was a New Year’s sale. >> >> A lot of hosting places are totally automating their support, which >> is a PITA if you run into any real problems. They love to tout their >> Support, but they’re ALL cutting back. If you want REAL support, >> you’ll want to get a “Managed Hosting” account. >> >> I can set you up with a managed Wordpress account and tons of >> premium plugins for $50/mo. I don’t have a sales page for it yet, >> tho. (It’s through WPMUDev.) >> >> -David Schwartz >> >>> On Apr 3, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am looking at cheap shared hosting providers. >>> >>> I found two so far... Bluehost and HostGator. >>> >>> I used Hostgator in the past and it was good and then really bad, >>> and it has been a while. I eventually moved on. I have not used >>> Bluehost and the reviews are mixed. >>> >>> I have three requirements: >>> >>> 1) must have a control panel. >>> 2) must have ssh access. Not sure this is really necessary >>> because, off the top of my head, all I need is to be able to edit >>> the .htaccess file which I can do local and FTP up... or the >>> control panel might have a built in editor. 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