About 20 years ago I posted to a tech list that I thought H1B was a bad 
thing and I got roasted.


On 2022-12-29 19:40, George Toft via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> You won't be replaced by a machine.  You will be replaced by someone 
> willing to do your job for $20-25 per hour.
> 
> I've seen postings in a large company that stated they were paying Tata 
> Consultancy $66K for H1B DBA's.  Tata takes 33%, which means the H1B 
> Visa worker gets $44K, or $22/hr.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> George Toft
> 
> On 12/28/2022 6:14 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> Let me say that I think people need to make a fair wage.
>> 
>> I had a conversion with a guy maybe 8 years ago.  He was pushing a 
>> raise in minimum wage.  He was a big shot in Silicon Valley.  I told 
>> him what my econ prof said : "Alternatives become more available as 
>> the price of any given thing rises."  He premised this by saying 
>> Phelps Dodge does not want copper to go over $1 a pound. It was in the 
>> late 80's. I thought he was crazy until he mentioned alternatives.  
>> According to this prof aluminum became viable once copper went over 
>> $1/lbs.
>> 
>> I went on to tell the Silicon Valley guy he and his cronies where the 
>> ones that would benefit from excessive minimum wage.  He seems 
>> shocked.  Now we see the proof.
>> 
>> Today automation is cheap and labor is not so cheap.  Machines break 
>> down, however they never call in sick or not do their job, and they 
>> will work 24/7 w/o benefits. This article says two things to me.
>> 
>> Unskilled labor is about to be hardcore unemployed and the jobs that 
>> will be available will be for those who have leaned some skills.
>> 
>> I'm thinking at some point in the future I will be replaced by a 
>> machine.  I am a programmer.  The world will be ruled by the 
>> engineers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2022-12-28 10:20, Harold Hartley via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> The article says there are people there to tend cash register and a 
>>> couple of other things.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, at 10:00, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>>> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Wed, 28 Dec 2022 07:22:37 -0700
>>>> 
>>>>> Thought you might find this interesting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/mcdonalds-unveils-first-automated-location-social-media-worried-will-cut-millions-jobs
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like a good idea, but I pay with cash, and I don't like 
>>>> putting
>>>> my twenty dollar bill in a machine, with no witnesses, and taking 
>>>> the
>>>> chance that the machine will simply eat my bill, with no audit 
>>>> trail.
>>>> 
>>>> SteveT
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Litt
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