I appreciate all your feedback Steve.  VirtualBox was supposed to be an 
interim step until I could afford a Proxmox machine.  I think I will put 
Proxmox on the computer that was running Windows and died. I need to 
test the hardware... I think Windows got corrupted and the hardware is 
fine.

I hope to build Proxmox tomorrow.

Keith



On 2022-11-15 17:12, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 15 Nov 2022 07:42:22 -0700
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> VirtualBox is a mess.
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> My expectation was that I could download and install VB then create a
>> guest instance and configure my VM as I like, and in my case I want to
>> have it have an IP on my local private network, and be able to put
>> that IP in my browser and do some testing.
> 
> I've done just this with Qemu.
> 
>> 
>> VirtualBox in my opinion is what is wrong with technology.  I've said
>> it before and I'll say it again, technology has become too difficult.
> 
> The whole idea of virtual machines is blindingly difficult. If virtual
> machines weren't so darn helpful, I wouldn't use them.
> 
> I used VirtualBox for a little while before switching to Qemu. I didn't
> find VirtualBox any more difficult or complicated than Qemu. I switched
> to Qemu for three reasons:
> 
> 1) Your mileage may vary, but I found Virtualbox to be unstable and
>    crashy.
> 
> 2) I prefer Qemu's shellscript paradigm to VirtualBox's point and click
>    paradigm. Indeed, preference of shellscripts over point and click
>    was one reason I migrated from Windows to Linux.
> 
> 3) I don't like Ellisonware. Although I don't dislike Ellisonware as
>    much as Gatesware or Poetterware, I'd prefer not to have my workflow
>    depend on the whims of Larry Ellison.
> 
> Anyway, if you'd like to see how I solved your particualar problem with
> Qemu, see http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm . I have a
> feeling you can use the VirtualBox equivalents to solve this problem.
> 
> Please understand documentation on virtual machines is ambigous,
> contradictory, often false, based on single-setup anecdotes, etc, so it
> stands to reason that something with so many components is incredibly
> difficult to get right, under the circumstances.
> 
> SteveT
> 
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