Heartbreaking story Michael!! Lots of good feedback. To the person offering to teach me a workflow if I touch type, thank you very much. I have been trying to convert to touch typing.... I am close but type extremely slow when touch typing. I hunt and peck most of the time. Since I really like Ubuntu for LAMP servers I'm thinking I might jump back into Linux on my desktop by starting with Kubuntu. I tried Kubuntu probably 6 years ago or longer and did not like it that much. I figure that is a good place to start. Thanks for all the feedback!! On 2022-03-24 18:14, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> I never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I > start it. > > Funny, this is one of my biggest complaints about KDE since the 4.x > days. I use a thunderbolt dock for my 2 external displays, and > occasionally will lose power or accidentally wiggle the laptop too > much, power down the displays, or just want to save on power/heat to > power off myself, all hell breaks loose. Often once they come back > up, it'll do some random combination of one or all of 1) reverse the > order of the displays, 2) reset all settings of my displays (like > resolution/hz), 3) jumble every damn window of mine to random places, > 4) move everything to one display only, and 5) resize all my windows > only on my 3rd display only to be 1px wide. This is a 4k monitor with > not very thick window borders to begin with to do so! > > Freakin' maddening, particularly #5 makes me want 5 finger death punch > my display when I have to manually resize a few dozen windows on it! > Even worse about #5 above, once I resize the window, if I try to move > the window vs. resize it, it snaps like a rubberband to be 1px wide > again. What the hell would you even begin with to troubleshoot > *that*?. Is it kde base, kwin, video drivers/card, hdmi vs. > displayport, mesa, or xorg? They all blame each other, or me for > being fancy with my hardware, so I gave up trying. > > Trying to describe these to resolve in a bugtracker only nets me > somewhere between a confused wtf sort of answer or "ohh, mr fancy with > 3x 4k displays, none of us have that to test with, sorry not sorry". > It's like that Dave Chappelle episode teaching customer service at the > printers, "If the customer says they have windows, tell them you only > know mac. If they say they have mac, tell them you only know windows. > If they say they have windows and mac, tell them you only know > linux!" > > I've tried gnome shell (hate it), cinnamon (tolerate it, has it's own > display issues), mate (like it, but missing functionality I'm used to > in Cinnamon and/or KDE), and unity (hated it, thankfully rip), still > come back to KDE even with maddening persistent multi-monitor flaws > for well over a decade now. I've tried xfce, i3, some others, but > just never "got it". I am not a developer and understand why they > prefer the tiling - I just don't work that way 98% of the time. I > move windows lots, and keep a lot of apps open buried in layers, > calling them forth from my dock as needed, for that KDE + Cairo-Dock > work great, so long as I keep the displays powered up 24/7. > > -mb > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 2:40 PM Jim via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> I have Kubuntu installed on my machine. I like it but the only >> thing >> that bugs me about KDE is that I have 2 monitors on this machine and >> I >> never know on which monitor an application will launch in after I >> start it. >> >> On 3/22/22 15:23, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: >>> In the past there has been some discussion about which is better >> GNOME >>> or KDE? I like Mint and I see it offers MATE (a fork of GNOME 2) >> or >>> Cinnamon (a fork of GNOME 3). It has been years and I think I >>> selected Cinnamon for my desktop. >>> >>> Does it matter? >>> >>> I tried Ubuntu and I did not like it for my workstation. However >> for >>> servers I only want Ubuntu. >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> >>> PS I'm on a mission and might have dozens of questions. 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