On 2022-01-07 20:43, Thomas Scott via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I'm in the opposite realm - was a programmer and kind of an admin > (glorified script kiddie?), went into networking, and then got back > into programming, because it was a "thing" to automate networks. It's > now my full time job, and I enjoy it a ton. The network to code slack > is full of network engineers who have become that new hybrid. Sorry if > that doesn't help from the opposite direction! > Ok, so I am running a home LAMP server + Bind9 + Postfix + Dovecot... I got lucky... I still have a ton to learn. As a PHP developer what do you suggest I learn about automation? And do I really need to learn another language. Seems a lot is being done in PHP. I think someone suggested Python. Was it Python? And why Python? Is it better than PHP for server automation. I think there are several guys on AZPHP that work for a large hosting provider and I think they are creating automation with PHP/Laravel ... not sure exactly what they are doing. > - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.scott@gmail.com > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 7:57 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > - - - >> With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some >> time off from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this >> is a common thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat. I'm seeing a >> lot of devs showing up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin >> stuff lots, ala "how to make apache do x", or "how do I automate my >> servers", which I find weird as that's sysadmin stuff normally (to >> me). Oddly enough it's a pretty diverse crowd of folks that are >> kinda hybrids, done networking, done sysadmin, some are php/web >> devs, etc, but lots of system-centric stuff so it tends to work out >> for info seekers. I suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, >> they'd know nothing of networking, but #networking tends to come >> from diverse enough roots they do this stuff too, or did at one >> point at least. >> >> Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to >> know some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking. The line blurs, >> but people can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active >> directory" anymore, they're replaceable with shell scripts. I've >> done unix/linux, some dev, some dba, some windoze, everything >> between along with a strong focus and experience in networking, and >> it's paid dividends as I figure out what others don't as a result. >> >> Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 >> up, but most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no >> idea below around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment. Best >> these days to be well versed across the board to some extent. Take >> a ccna class online, even if you don't get the cert, you'll probably >> understand things a lot more to make your life easier. >> >> -mb >> >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos. Here he is >>> on a >>> programmer's channel talking about programmers learning >>> networking. >>> I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, >>> and >>> maybe that is not what he is talking about. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY&t=0s >>> >>> How does this work for hosting admin? Is there the same demand in >>> the >>> hosting admin niche? If so what exactly should one know and what >>> types >>> of jobs can they get? >>> >>> He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for >>> server >>> automation? He also mentioned Perl. I thought Perl was/is dead? >>> >>> I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk >>> and >>> ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL. >>> >>> Your Thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss