On 2022-01-07 17:57, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote: > With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some time > off from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this is a > common thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat. I'm seeing a lot of > devs showing up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin stuff lots, > ala "how to make apache do x", or "how do I automate my servers", Seems asking "how to make apache do x" is more of an Apache config question. Not a straight up programming skill per se.... and not programming either? what kind of "how do I automate my servers" are you seeing. I am a PHP developer so hosting automation is of interest to me. I assume Pleask and ISPConfig fall into the server automation group as I would think cPanel does as well? > which I find weird as that's sysadmin stuff normally (to me). Oddly > enough it's a pretty diverse crowd of folks that are kinda hybrids, > done networking, done sysadmin, some are php/web devs, etc, but lots > of system-centric stuff so it tends to work out for info seekers. I > suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, they'd know nothing of > networking, but #networking tends to come from diverse enough roots > they do this stuff too, or did at one point at least. > I'm wondering if the self-taught group may spend less time learning about networking. I've been interested in Linux since around 1997 / RedHat 4.2 or was it 5.2. And networking was of interest to me especially in the 80's as it was emerging. > Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to > know some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking. The line blurs, > but people can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active > directory" anymore, they're replaceable with shell scripts. I've done > unix/linux, some dev, some dba, some windoze, everything between along > with a strong focus and experience in networking, and it's paid > dividends as I figure out what others don't as a result. > > Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 up, > but most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no idea > below around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment. Best these days > to be well versed across the board to some extent. Take a ccna class > online, even if you don't get the cert, you'll probably understand > things a lot more to make your life easier. I'm curious about what a developer might want to automate on a LAMP hosting server? I've use command line PHP to create a script to backup my hosting website and data ... AWS S3. I think I might have added something to cron... maybe it was that backup script. What else might I want to automate? > > -mb > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos. Here he is >> on a >> programmer's channel talking about programmers learning networking. >> >> I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, and >> maybe that is not what he is talking about. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY&t=0s >> >> How does this work for hosting admin? Is there the same demand in >> the >> hosting admin niche? If so what exactly should one know and what >> types >> of jobs can they get? >> >> He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for >> server >> automation? He also mentioned Perl. I thought Perl was/is dead? >> >> I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk >> and >> ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL. >> >> Your Thoughts? >> >> Thanks!! >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss