All this bickering is missing the overall point: The era of mainstream desktop PCs draining huge amounts of electricity is over. The expectation is that we now use power efficient PCs, whether we like it or not. If only the graphics card vendors would make usable high end graphics cards that don't require 550W all by itself, and 850W power supplies for the whole system. https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/geforce-rtx-3090-will-require-850w-power-supply-and-12-pin-plug/zb22f1 Power efficient electronics have been the norm for awhile, and power efficiency is a huge deal in laptop PCs and servers (and has been for a VERY long time). Its only just now caught up to the desktop PC market. -Matt --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss