Hi all, Given the discussion of KDE, Gnome, Openbox, LXDE, etc, I should probably describe how I compute. First of all, on my laptops I use LXDE, which is a fairly lightweight desktop environment with a panel including a start button, on the bottom, similar to KDE, win98, or a typical xfce setup. On my laptops I feel more comfortable with a panel because my typical use of a laptop is giving a class or presentation, where I want to use all my brainpower to relate to the audience after going through the not inconsiderable hassle of getting my computer synced up with the customer's projector or bigscreen. My Daily Driver Desktop (DDD) is different. My DDD is where I write my books, create my web pages, create my courseware, do my programming, and interact with email and browsers. My bad vision (like maybe 20/40 corrected) means I need to use a dpi of 140 and clockface fonts, even on my 28" monitor. Which means I need all the screen real estate I can get, meaning a panel (the taskbar at the bottom of environments like KDE and Xfce) wastes about a half inch of vital screen real-estate. So I don't use a panel on my DDD. So I use the Openbox window manager on my DDD. Openbox is actually pretty heavy for a window manager: Not nearly as light as DWM, i3, ctwm, or even IceWM (a really excellent lightweight product with full panel). The reasons I chose Openbox are: 1) Stable and reliable as hell 2) Alt+Tab works exactly as you'd expect, which is vital for me 3) Fully compatible with all LXDE and LXQt software 4) Light and lightning quick, unless Firefox is doing a number on me 5) Easy to set custom hotkeys for both windowmanager functions and random executables I should mention I'm a 50 wpm typist, so I try to do as much of my interaction with my keyboard rather than the mouse. Life without a panel is initially difficult. You can't glance down and check the time. You can't glance down and see CPU usage. You have no network applet. You can't see at a glance what windows are operating in the current workspace. And you have no start button (ugh). It took a lot of getting used to, and adaptation. The first thing you do with Openbox or any similar product is to make an area on the screen's left, probably about 8 pixels wide, where windows are forbidden to be opened. This gives you the option of always being able to mouseclick the desktop in order to do things like open the system menu, or show a list of open windows sorted by workspace (a must whether you have a panel or not). If you're a mouse-only user, that's pretty much all you have to do. If you're a keyboard-centric person like me, you need to set up many hotkeys. Keeping in mind that actual exact hotkey combos are completely a matter of taste for the individual user, here are the hotkeys I personally have set up for my Openbox on my DDD: Shift+Ctrl+; runs dmenu from Suckless Tools, enabling me to run any program, including home-grown shellscripts, on the executable path, using maybe 3 or 4 keystrokes plus pressing the Enter key. From a workflow perspective, this is lightning fast. I'll talk more about dmenu later, because it's been an essential part of my life, using Ubuntu, Debian, and Void Linux, on pretty much any wm/de (Window Manager/Desktop Environment). Shift+Ctrl+, brings up the system menu, which, in the case of Void Linux with Openbox, is of limited use, but is great to restart Openbox after changing its config, without closing already running programs. Shift+Ctrl+. brings up a list of all running windows, sorted by workspace. This is *absolutely essential* to my workflow. Shift+Ctrl+j toggles a laptop mousepad on and off. Shift+Ctrl+d brings up a window with the date and time. This is a partial substitute for not having a clock on a panel. Alt+1 thru Alt+9 puts me in the specified workspace. Ctrl+Alt+Right puts me in the next workspace right. Ctrl+Alt+Left puts me in the next workspace left. Both the left and right workspace hotkeys stop at the leftmost or rightmost workspaces, which I find very handy. Alt+0 closes the currently focused window. I changed it from Alt+F4 because I personally find Alt+0 more ergonomic. Ctrl+9 runs my UMENU2 program, which for 20 years I've used instead of the menu that comes with your wm/de. One huge advantage is that UMENU2 can be used on different wm/de's, survives upgrades and even whole OS reinstalls, and it's useable in CLI (Command Line Interface) environments. Plus it's very configurable, and whole shellscripts can be defined in a menu item's config. Alt+Tab does the usual: Move down the current workspace's window stack. Alt+Space does the usual: Opens the window menu. Let's talk about dmenu from Suckless tools, because that's probably the most handy workflow assistant I have. You press a hotkey and a list of the first 24 executables on the executable path appear in a vertical list. As you type characters, the list is reduced to only executables whose names contain the typed character sequence, with the ones *starting* with that sequence sorting to the top. As a practical matter, by the time you've typed 3, 4 or 5 characters, you've probably reduced the list to a single executable, at which time you just press Enter, and that executable runs. In other words, I can run an executable in the time it would take me to reach for my mouse on a one way trip. Lightning quick. dmenu is so lightweight that there's absolutely no perceptable delay between keystrokes. The dmenu program isn't perfect. It's pure X (no window manager functions), so it doesn't work in a CLI environment, nor does it work with Wayland, although I hear there's a version for Wayland. More troublesome, running a CLI executable via dmenu can bollix up your OS, making many windows come to a halt. So I have shellscript clear_umenu.sh, which basically kills anything in `ps axj` with a status of 'T'. I sometimes have to run that shellscript two or three times to get my OS operational, and some of the program windows get closed in the process. This is obviously a last resort kludge. What I *should* do is to configure dmenu to check that a program is a GUI program, and refuse to run anything if it isn't. Or else perhaps run the non-GUI program inside a GUI terminal emulator. If anybody can tell me how to tell whether an executable is GUI without running it, this would be very easy to do, and would be valuable not just to me but to anybody using dmenu. I also use UMENU2, which is free software I created. You can download it from Troubleshooters.Com. UMENU2 isn't ready for prime time: Configuring your menus I don't do much drag and drop, at least not between different programs, probably because I'm not using an integrated environment like KDE, Gnome or xfce. However, from file managers pcmanfm and thunar you can drag a file and drop it in Gvim or emacs or Inkscape or Gimp (but unfortunately not Bluefish). Those file managers also allow you to left click a data file and choose a program in which to open it. So, although not as sophisticated and robust as in a real, integrated Desktop Environment, you *can* work from a file manager, just like on a Mac. I make lots of custom shellscripts to speed up and make easier my activities. I keep them in /d/bats, which in the 20th century was d:\bats in windows. So my workflow habits have actually survived a complete change of operating systems. I'm completely satisfied with my computer and workflow, probably because any time I'm not satisfied, I just configure things so I *am* satisfied. Does all this configuring and shellscript construction take time? Sure it does, but I do it once and use it to save time forever after. I just basically automate anything I expect to use frequently. And because most of it was made by me and is contained in /d/bats, it easily survives upgrades and even distro replacements. I could go on and on, but this is probably sufficient. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss