moin moin, My experience with Apple hardware is similar to HP, they tend to use stuff that's a pain to work with. Dunno if Apple also has multiple versions of a card that all uses the same identifier. Work laptop hardware is unwell. Dunno if they'll send me new hardware or just a new battery and some bailing wire. If they will give me a new device, they will push for me to take an Apple laptop. I was able to avoid it last time, but am unsure of making my saving throw this time. Is it really, really easy to install and run debian and Ubuntu on Apple laptops nowdays? Everything works? Networking, sound, hibernate, etc.? Does Apple hardware also have UEFI and other misfeatures? Are there any decent Apple laptops that have AMD processors? It'll be a stretch for me to get that, but I'm going to ask :). Can you add more RAM or are you stuck with whatever it came with based on the laptop color??? ciao, der.hans PS The random quote that popped up is gloriously the most appropriate for the email I was writing and who might respond :) -- # https://www.LuftHans.com https://www.PhxLinux.org # "I have faith in debian-legal." -- Ted Gould --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss