I think what most companies get is really a classic bait and switch 
tactic with offshoring more often than not with oversold expertise.  
Offer x, provide y, later offer apologies and discounts once you have 
their cash.  Sad for them being taken on a ride, but what else can you 
do but witness the atrocity postmortem in most cases?  This is where my 
experience has told me otherwise sadly.

I've met really good folks that come over seas too.  I find they often 
exist outside of that as we do, already with experience, relying on 
their talents.  Sometimes I find them to shackled to a company still 
hoping for a H1B to finally move on from indentured servitude an org 
holds them to.  However when you see most of the mega-outsourcers drop 
people by the gross on projects, there are contracts in place to provide 
x number of qualified individuals for y period, and the *qualified* bit 
is sorely lacking in most cases.  Development engagements with offshore 
firms are almost always purely an exercise in numbers to make any such 
sense.

I'd really love to see some hard example of such off-shoring efforts 
actually, really succeeding outside marketing.  Perhaps it's just 
Arizona still being podunk/naive as it were in the past 15 years or so 
of my personal experience here, but seems org's here are far more ripe 
for taking, which I can't help but take a certain local pride 
perspective direct offense to.  I saw the same as it began in Silicon 
Valley in the late 90's during my time there too, so it's not simply a 
matter of Arizona denizens being naive, but a convincing fraud none the 
less people get taken for rides on.

I can simply name far more utter failures than any successes in the past 
20 years witnessed first hand with offshoring efforts to ever think them 
good.

-mb


On 11/10/2016 10:35 PM, trent shipley wrote:
> I worked for a predominantly Indian outsourcing company. I did not 
> find my co-workers low skilled or under-educated. They had real 
> experience and were competent. Accusing the professionals who benefit 
> from offshoring of being incompetent is idle racist nativism. 
> Furthermore, in a Global economy, American IT workers have no more 
> right to a job or gig than anyone else. If the foreigners out compete 
> you, too bad, that's how capitalism works.
>
> I am disabled, and I think the Americans with Disabilities Act is a 
> dreadful piece of legislation. It trys to require for-profit companies 
> to hire contrary to their tangible self interest in terms of cost or 
> profit.
>
> Trent.

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