How can we circumvent the current system and use the current 
infrastructure?


On 2016-08-29 10:00, Eric Oyen wrote:
> ok, I see some issues here.
> first off, I am a conservative. I don't hide it but, then, I don't
> trumpet it either. As far as I am concerned, politics should have very
> little to do with technology or how it gets implemented.
> Unfortunately, politics has injected itself into our very lives in the
> form of regulations, some of which govern how we can use the net. To
> my mind, that is a very bad thing. if you really want to see examples
> of how bad it can get, take a look at china, russia, the entire middle
> east, and some places in South America.
> 
> now that I have dispensed with the politics, I want to get down to how
> we work around onerous control of the net. Someone else suggested a
> mesh network. That's all fine and good until you want to communicate
> outside of the local area. So, how do we expand this idea? This is
> where innovation in technology comes into play. It's purely technical
> and solves a problem (and no politics involved).
> 
> so, there it is, how do we work around this problem and not get
> political doing it?
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Aug 29, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Nathan England wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Amazing how clear every thing becomes when you take a deep breath!... 
>> and
>> burry your head in the sand.
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, August 29, 2016 1:43:22 AM MST stevensspam@cox.net wrote:
>>> My suggestion?
>>> 
>>> Taking a deep breath, pouring the Koolaid down the drain instead of 
>>> drinking
>>> it, and repeating to yourself, "I should really stop jumping on every
>>> conspiracy bandwagon I see."
>>> 
>>> Seriously, I have little doubt that if we had a republican president 
>>> and a
>>> democratic majority in congress was attempting to block this very 
>>> same
>>> change you would see articles criticizing the block and talking about 
>>> how
>>> government can't do anything right. What's going on now is that 
>>> instead of
>>> a single company holding a government granted monopoly to run the DNS 
>>> and
>>> numbering system there would be a group of companies and 
>>> organizations
>>> doing the same thing -- with a US threat to seize control of it again 
>>> if
>>> they misbehave.
>>> 
>>> And as for fears this will lead to balkanization brought up in 
>>> another post
>>> -- there have been threats to balkanize the Internet if control of 
>>> the DNS
>>> system remained a monopoly held by a single US company or government
>>> agency. This is probably a damned it you do, damned if you don't 
>>> decision.
>>> In the long run it's probably inevitable that no matter which way 
>>> this
>>> decision goes there will be more fracturing. We're probably very 
>>> lucky to
>>> have gone this far with as little fracturing as there has been. I can 
>>> even
>>> see Moral Majority types on the right demanding tighter controls over 
>>> the
>>> Internet in the US to crack down on "adult" content which would 
>>> pretty much
>>> require making a US Internet with closely watched gateways to the 
>>> outside
>>> (censorship and political correctness are not something unique or
>>> restricted to the right or left, there's just different names 
>>> attached).
>>> Having thing not being run by one single company operating under a
>>> government granted monopoly might make it just a slight bit harder 
>>> for that
>>> to happen.
>>> 
>>> But really, I suppose we should panic. It's not as if the conspiracy
>>> theorists have ever been wrong. After all Texas has been under 
>>> Martial Law
>>> ever since Jade Helm, every Hurricane for decades has resulted in 
>>> thousands
>>> disappearing into FEMA death camps, there's all folks who lost homes 
>>> to
>>> imminent domain to built the Mexi-Canadian superhighway that's exempt 
>>> from
>>> US jurisdiction, and after a decade I still haven't gotten used to 
>>> these
>>> new Ameros that replaced the dollar...
>>> 
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