Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SteveT On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 07:27:25 -0700 Stephen Partington wrote: > Option to turn it on or off, yes. > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > > Does your Dell Latitude enable you to turn off secure boot, thereby > > being accessible to all Linuces and to custom kernels? > > > > SteveT > > > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:22:17 -0700 > > Stephen Partington wrote: > > > > > The Dell uefi bios on their latitude series has not given me any > > > issue at all with any os. Except OSX, and that is a special > > > weirdness. Asus gaming oriented board tend to be (for lack of a > > > better word) persnickety. And mostly this was an issue with > > > trying to wrangle a dual boot scenario with Windows 10 and they > > > were writing over each other in the boot space of the bios. Even > > > when using grub. It was strange. But the board I have is one of > > > those prosumer/gamer oriented boards so it does not have the > > > simplicity of their workstation boards or dell's work oriented > > > hardware. On Apr 19, 2016 11:18 AM, "Michael Butash" > > > wrote: > > > > I agree here, it is an important factor, but really only to us > > > > linux folk. Windoze people remain blissfully ignorant mostly > > > > except when dealing with the horrible bioses these days built > > > > for uefi. I think diy mobo's will remain safe, but laptops are > > > > a wildcard when dealing with non-business class devices. Dell > > > > seems good about keeping legacy boot options at least, and > > > > keeping some sense of linux friendliness in general (they do > > > > have a desktop linux mailing list people respond on). > > > > > > > > Getting that asus laptop that would "only" do uefi was just > > > > painful as I had ass-u-me'd that it *could* be switched to > > > > legacy boot, and delayed my usability significantly since > > > > forcing me to learn some new method with questionable value. > > > > UEFI just seems like another half-way good idea turned terrible > > > > by letting microsoft steer and dictate its implementation, as > > > > they seemed the only one that cared, and obviously only about > > > > the windoze implementation. > > > > > > > > I'm all for learning something new, but not when the only value > > > > is keeping the relevance of windoze on my hardware, which is > > > > entirely undesirable. > > > > > > > > -mb > > > > > > > > > > > > On 04/19/2016 10:34 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 10:02:03 -0700 > > > >> Wayne D wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Some day UEFI might be good, but right now you hear too much > > > >> about > > > >>>> people bricking their mobos via interaction with their OS > > > >>>> and the UEFI storage area, or Linux people doing rm -rf only > > > >>>> to find out that included the mounted UEFI variable area. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> And then there's the whole Secure Boot fiasco. No problem if > > > >>>> you use a major Linux that's purchased a key from Microsoft, > > > >>>> but all bets are off if you compile your own kernel. > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> You really know how to pee on a parade... LOL Ya, I'm > > > >>> cringing a little over this one. > > > >>> > > > >> If mobo makers want to force UEFI, or worse, Secure Boot on us, > > > >> well, I guess that's their right. But this is such an important > > > >> thing, I think that ability to boot MBR and ability to turn off > > > >> Secure Boot should be a very prominent spec, right along with > > > >> number of memory slots and enumeration of extension slots. > > > >> > > > >> The fact that you have to find these things out after having > > > >> the product shipped to you, and then play the RMA game or just > > > >> eat something you don't want, is inexcusable. > > > >> > > > >> You should contact the manufacturer, and ask it point blank: > > > >> > > > >> 1) Can you boot to a genuine MBR, and how? > > > >> 2) Can you turn off Secure Boot, and how? > > > >> > > > >> SteveT --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss