Around 2006 I saw a picture of iPower's data center in LA and they had lots of consumer grade boxes on shelves that they were selling as stand alone hardware servers. I could write a book about what I saw and experienced at both GoDaddy and iPower, both tech and HR. The thing that is missing with all these VPS offerings is mail servers. We need inexpensive mailboxes. I do not want to run a mail server and have not found an affordable vendor (that also offers decent VPS). I have several websites and would like to put them up on a VPS (with ssd), let them do the DNS, which DigitalOcean does and have the ability to buy mail boxes at $2/ea. Rack space want you to buy at least 5 boxes per domain. That adds $10/mo for each domain. I only need one or two email boxes for each domain. On 2016-03-22 19:52, Sesso wrote: > Yeah it was a long time ago. I worked there in, I wanna say 2006ish. I > left shortly after working there for a year. > > Jason > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 22, 2016, at 7:03 PM, James Dugger > wrote: > >> I'm a developer working at GoDaddy on one of those shared hosting >> platform teams. Haven't seen any "PC's on bakers racks" Those must >> be a thing of the past . I do see Dell PowerEdge rack servers "fully >> pluggable". We don't buy servers in single quantities, we buy whole >> preconfigured 42U racks at time. The racks are shipped directly to >> our datacenters, in AZ, East Coast US, Europe, and Asia. >> >> Our cloud offering just went live yesterday at prices comparable to >> DigitalOcean. We are partnering with Bitnami for packaged server >> builds and this cloud is connected to our domain services. See >> reviews below. >> >> http://www.techmeme.com/160321/p6#a160321p6 [2] >> >> > http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/21/godaddy-debuts-aws-style-servers-and-apps-to-build-test-and-scale-cloud-services/ >> [3] >> >> Somethings can be more important than just cheap, like uptime and >> speed. GoDaddy ranks in the top 3 or 4 of the fastest providers for >> products both on Windows and Linux platforms. >> >> > http://cloudspectator.com/web-host-providers-performance-ranking-a-six-month-summary/ >> [4] >> >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Sesso wrote: >> >>> yeah I worked at godaddy when they had those little boxes. Yes, >>> the industry has gone mostly virtual which is understandable. >>> However, there are still clients that want actual hardware. I sell >>> just as much hardware in my own business as I do Virtual. My day >>> job sells about the same and we actually own our own datacenters. >>> The clients that buy hardware are usually large companies that can >>> afford it. You are right, many clients don’t need it but they >>> want it lol. They are signing 3 year contracts on these servers >>> also. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Michael Butash >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That (simple/dumb customers), and most of their customer base >>> being that really *does not need* dedicated services for what they >>> are doing. It doesn't meet their business model, or technology >>> models around that business when consumer cores are still 2-4 per >>> cpu, and you're seeing 12-16 per socket, dual socket, and most can >>> take 192-384gb of ram. >>>> >>>> TLDR: >>>> >>>> Most people probably have this delusion that a "dedicated >>> server" is just that, a server, but the reality was GD's (and >>> others like them) bare metal servers were just generic consumer >>> Shuttle SFF pc boxes on bakers racks as far as the eye can see, >>> which meant no IPMI, remote console (outside an os), absolutely >>> nothing pluggable aside from usb, and rather a pain to deal with >>> provisioning or maintenance-wise. When someone's system died, a >>> kid in a dc got paged out to rip the box apart and troubleshoot >>> them, which isn't easy on consumer gear. They were great when >>> launched in ~2004 for cost/power/heat, and up until fairly recent >>> still were, but proved ultimately unsustainable as any part that >>> failed required some dc tech to perform surgery on a SFF case >>> packed with parts, even raid cards, which is simply never fun. It >>> also ends up costing far too much to maintain over time in total >>> opex at scale. >>>> >>>> Even then providing dedicated hardware was a challenge even >>> looking at real (rack) servers then as an evolution, dealing with >>> ipmi quirks, securing networking from root-access users locally >>> (harder than one might think across various network hardware), >>> that once handed off to the customer simply went out the window to >>> keep them from shooting themselves in the foot like not backing up >>> their own server or say, doing rm on root, or trying to arp >>> poison/mitm the lan around them and drawing security ire. >>>> >>>> Even if hardware were "dedicated", industry movement is to >>> simply give a vm in dedicated hardware, adding a hypervisor shim >>> for control-plane on hardware, at very least making inventory, >>> provisioning, maintenance, and more importantly, network control >>> at a raw hardware level easy. It also allows providers to bill for >>> usage vs. blanket floodgates, so hey, if you want to pay for a >>> whole server of 24 cores and 192gb of ram on a 10g link, they'll >>> sell you the cycles/bandwidth for sure, and it'll be about the >>> cost of 8 of those shuttles "dedicated" boxes. >>>> >>>> For GD, they could also get rid of data centers full of odd >>> bakers racks and dumpters full of old/odd/non-standard consumer >>> Shuttle hardware, finally, to deal with standard rack server >>> form-factor hardware built to maintain operationally. >>>> >>>> VM's for hosting just make sense, anything dedicated will never >>> be "cheap" out of pure reality it doesn't make sense to offer 2-4 >>> core hardware systems, or maintain them as stand-alone systems. >>> Why everyone is a "cloud" suddenly years ago, GD was just late to >>> the party. >>>> >>>> -mb >>>> >>>> >>>> On 03/22/2016 11:34 AM, Sesso wrote: >>>>> I asked an employee about it and he said, "our clients are too >>> dumb to realize that that aren't getting a bare metal server." >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >> >> -- >> >> James >> >> LINKEDIN [5] > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > [2] http://www.techmeme.com/160321/p6#a160321p6 > [3] > http://techcrunch.com/2016/03/21/godaddy-debuts-aws-style-servers-and-apps-to-build-test-and-scale-cloud-services/ > [4] > http://cloudspectator.com/web-host-providers-performance-ranking-a-six-month-summary/ > [5] http://www.linkedin.com/pub/james-h-dugger/15/64b/74a/ > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Keith Smith --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss