Good point Bob. 5 years and we have done nothing to fix these issues. On 2015-08-29 11:16, Bob Elzer wrote: > This is old news from 2010. > > If we are going to start yelling the sky is falling, then lets do some > good. > > Bill Gates promised me that for every response to this thread he will > donate $100 to eliminating cancer. > > Lets bankrupt the bastard!!! > > :-p > > On Aug 29, 2015 11:07 AM, "Eric Oyen" wrote: > >> oh yeah. Like I said, it starts with next to nothing. Its like the >> frog in the pot scenario. Throw a frog in boiling water and he >> immediately hops out. Place a frog in cool water and slowly bring up >> the heat, he is toast before he realizes that he is in trouble. Same >> thing here. All it will take is one government official making an >> assumption about Linux and the next thing we all know is that it >> would be illegal to download or use (and we could be arrested under >> the DMCA and the computer crimes act). >> >> Honestly people, we need to nip this in the bud now. Our very civil >> liberties will be at stake when this happens (not IF, but when). >> >> -eric >> >> On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Nathan England wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Great points Eric. Consider also what will happen when the >> government gets burned by Ashley Maddison, or the next one. No doubt >> they will find out that the "hackers" were running linux. The server >> probably was too. That open source cancer. >>> >>> (politicians will decry:) >>> We need to protect the people. We need to remove the ability to >> boot alternative operating systems (secure boot) and all internet >> connected systems are running verified closed source operating >> systems. >>> >>> They may even say that linux servers make it easier to "hack". >>> >>> When will people wake up? Politics has nothing to do with >> technology or this group? Seriously? Politics has invaded every step >> of our lives. >>> >>> Many of the people on this list are close friends and like to >> talk. Yet several are determined to keep their heads in the sand. >> Pathetic that we cannot talk and share all aspects of our lives >> without offending people. Just seems silly to me. We act like >> children all over again. No one is allowed to have opinions any more >> because they are offensive. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2015-08-29 08:26, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>> in some ways, this is already happening. Take for example my DVD >>>> collection. Given the terms of the DMCA, I am not allowed to >> play them >>>> with vlc (an open source media player) because it breaks >> (cracks) the >>>> CSS on those dvd's in order to play the content. THis also means >> I >>>> can't make backups of said media and keep the originals in their >>>> packages as archived originals. >>>> THere is also the matter of e-books. Take for example the >> Kindle. THe >>>> OS on it is open source (or at least the kernel is). However, >> the >>>> books themselves are closed source format and the kindle will >> not read >>>> allowed the text for me. Add to that another issue with the >> American >>>> Authors guild. THey insist that I have to register with them >> before I >>>> can have the right to access an e-book. Again, its the DMCA at >> work >>>> (along with the content cartels). I have a right to be able to >> read >>>> what I want in the method that best works for me (speech, >> braille, >>>> accessible electronic text, etc.) and I am not being allowed to. >>>> So, if you think this hasn't started happening in Linux, think >> again. >>>> It's already here and it starts out as next to nothing. Its time >> for >>>> those of us who have the knowledge to quit talking about the >> problem >>>> and actually do something about it. >>>> -eric (the other eric) >>>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Keith Smith wrote: >>>>> I understand some do not like bringing politics into this list. >> However it is all relevant. I'm a LAMP developer. I have deep >> concerns that the Federal Government will at some point start to >> regulate Open Source / Free Software. >>>>> I've known Lyle for sometime and his heart is in the right >> place. >>>>> This nation was birthed on freedom... And today a baby can be >> caused to be delivered prematurely and cut to pieces while it's >> heart is still beating. This is called abortion. >>>>> I think these are discussions we need to have because it will >> soon be Linux they come after. Then what? >>>>> All it will take is for the likes of Bill Gates to grease the >> palms of a handful of politicians and the next thing you know you >> will only be able to boot M$. >>>>> Didn't we see that with the law that says you cannot root your >> phone? These types of things are the opposite of freedom. We >> should have the freedom to buy whatever phone we want and buy >> minutes from any carrier. Instead the Cellular providers influence >> politicians to pass laws that take away our freedom. This is called >> crony capitalism. >>>>> Crony capitalism may effect Open Source / Free Software at some >> point. A free and open market allows us to vote with our dollars. >> That is not the system we have today. We have a system where the >> wealthy and big business buy politicians and they pass laws that aid >> the wealthy and big business. AND this is at our expense. >>>>> I'm for freedom. I do not care if you worship a pole or a cow, >> or nothing at all. I do not care if you run M$, Apple, or Linux. I >> do not care if you want to eat meat or abstain from meat. AND I hope >> you will allow me the same latitude. >>>>> I personally support the least amount of law - just the minimum >> to protect the masses. >>>>> Lyle is right here is a sleight of hand taking place. >>>>> On 2015-08-29 06:16, Phil Waclawski wrote: >>>>>> I really don't see how this is appropriate for a linux >> discussion >>>>>> group. >>>>>> Phil Waclawski >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Lyle >> wrote: >>>>>>> Subject: Wedding ring is in for repair again this year... >>>>>>> Just passing this on with no comment, interesting observation >>>>>>> though.... >>>>>>> The Wedding ring is in for repair again this year. Since when >> does >>>>>>> a plain wedding band need repairs, along with your watch, for >> a >>>>>>> whole month? In a press conference last week Obama was not >> wearing >>>>>>> his wedding ring nor was he wearing his watch. When noticed, >> his >>>>>>> staff said his ring was out for repairs. No reason was given >> for the >>>>>>> missing watch. >>>>>>> So it's just a coincidence that Muslims are forbidden from >> wearing >>>>>>> jewelry during the month of Ramadan... >>>>>>> Can't possibly be that, because although he hasn't gone to a >>>>>>> Christian church service since entering the White House, we >> know >>>>>>> he's a committed Christian "cause he said so during his >> campaign" >>>>>>> This is the same president that spent the Christmas holidays >> in >>>>>>> Hawaii to avoid religious obligations as president at the >> White >>>>>>> House. His children do not receive Christmas presents. Let's >> just >>>>>>> face the facts and quit trying to distort the truth, we have >> a >>>>>>> Muslim for president in the White House, and he has no >> knowledge of >>>>>>> American history. >>>>>>> I love this country; it's the current government leadership I >> worry >>>>>>> about! >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >> [1] >>>>>> Links: >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> [1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> [1] >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >>>>> -- >>>>> Keith Smith >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >>> >>> -- >>> Nathan England (480) 559 - 9681 [2] >>> nengland@nmecs.com >>> http://www.nmecs.com/ [3] >>> Web Developer, PHP Programmer, Lamp Administration, and >>> Information Security Specialist >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss [1] > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > [2] tel:%28480%29%20559%20-%209681 > [3] http://www.nmecs.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Keith Smith --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss