Brian, I am glad no one has been kicked off the list. As for my comment about the 801c3 thing, I have always been against it even though a few others have been for it (I cant say I participate enough though to really have input). I know the advantages of how things are now, without any formal posted "guidelines" there is a lot of freedom. I have been in charge of volunteer groups before, and usually there are a handful at most that do 99% of the work (The reason I have not been part of a formal group for 5 years now, I got burned out). Most members just show up when they want and take what they need (could be information, good feelings, social interaction, etc), never really giving as much as they take. If the group wants to grow though and help more people, there has to be more structure. I think that was the just of my earlier post. Gilbert --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss