And maybe it was some confusion on my part.  I did have to turn off the 
UEFI? with On my Dell when I installed Linux on it.


On 2014-07-19 10:21, Kevin Fries wrote:
> UEFI is not the problem. As a matter of fact,  it probably helps the
> Linux enthusiasts break the Microsoft Monopoly better than anything I
> have seen in a long time. 
> 
> UEFI is designed such that there is one one boot secror.  Instead, it
> had 128 boot records and that number can be extended infinitely.  
> The standard was also opened years ago... it was designed by Intel.
> 
> Microsoft not one to have their illegal monopoly threatened, came up
> with another scheme to lock out open operating systems...
> security-related OS
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-evaluated_operating_system
> [2].  In this scheme, the vendor would only allow these secured,
> certified operating systems to be installed.  You had a choice
> initially of one... Windows, but you had only the choice of that one
> on the list.
> 
> Just remember, you may recognize many names on that list, but they are
> all paid operating systems.  Because the cost of this certification
> is expensive.  That's why you find Enterprise Red Hat, but not
> Fedora.
> 
> Well, the real joke is, most machines sold with Windows 8 have this
> Bios feature turned on, but there is an option in the Bios to turn it
> off.  When you are no longer limiter to certified OSes, you can
> install whatever you like.
> 
> Now if HE were only as worried about making their customers happy as
> they were making Microsoft happy, they would have told you that.
> 
> Kevin
> On Jul 18, 2014 10:42 PM, <techlists@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-07-18 19:49, Jerry Snitselaar wrote:
>> On Fri Jul 18 14, techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>> On 2014-07-18 14:19, Bob Holtzman wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:52:05AM -0700,
>> techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From my experience Dell is Linux friendly. I'd double check if it
>>>> will run Linux though.  I think the new HP's will not.
>>> 
>>> Reason?
>> 
>> I think it has something to do with the bios.  I have a 4.5 year
>> old HP
>> laptop that runs Linux, however it is my understanding the new ones
>> will
>> not.
>> 
>> Are you talking about uefi? That shouldn't be a problem.
> 
>  I do not recall.  It has been about a year. I was going to buy an HP
> laptop and either someone on the list told me it would not run Linux
> or HP told me so.  I did not buy the laptop.
> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Last year when I bought a new Dell workstation. After telling
>>> them I
>>>> 
>>>>         ..........huge snip..........
>>>> 
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