It is amazing - the transformation of computers since my first exposure 
in 1983.  My first experience was intro to computers - Fortran 
programming using punch cards.  It was 1985 before I saw a full screen 
editor.  In 1986 I bought a Commodore 64 that had 64kb of RAM.  It was 
plenty powerful to automate book keeping and other useful stuff.  In 87 
I bought an 8088 with an upgrade to 640kb of RAM.  It had two disk 
drives, a 14" monochrome monitor, and a 300 baud modem.  I acquired a 
copy of dBaseIII and I was having the time of my life.  The next year I 
bought a 20MB HD.  I thought I had arrived.

I am a purist in so may ways.  I struggle with the business vs purist 
approach.  I've argued in the past that it is better to spend $50 more a 
month on hardware than it is to spend hours each month trying to make 
something more efficient.  From a truly business stand point it is more 
efficient to make up the difference by spending a little more on 
hardware than man hours.

Case in point.  I am a lamp dev.  I am looking at Drupal for a future 
project. Most would consider Drupal bloatware.  I think at a minimum it 
is a recourse hog.  If all things were equal I would rather build the 
app from scratch and make it as efficient as I can. The interesting 
thing is I might be able to get Drupal to do what I want in half the 
time. That equates to a lot of savings.  The cost will be that it will 
require a server that cost $50 more a month.

It amazes me the amount of power it takes to run modern apps. My main 
box is an i5 with 8GB of RAM.  That is a lot of power.  I assume it will 
be viable for 7 - 10 years.  Maybe in it's latter life it will not be my 
primary workstation, however it surely could be a test server or 
something along those lines.

On the other hand it amazed me when I was able to build a mail server 
running Centos 5 and Qmailtoaster on an old laptop running a 1Ghz 
Celeron w/ 256MB of RAM.


On 2014-06-22 00:32, kitepilot@kitepilot.com wrote:
> To me bloat would be a bunch of daemons eating resources to the point
> of exhaustion.
> I installed KDE (had not done it in years) and seems to hug less 
> resources now.
> Still testing...
> ET
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Kibbe writes:
> 
>> techlists@phpcoderusa.com writes:
>>> What a great rant!!  I was on my way to look for a video on HULU.... 
>>> I
>>> enjoyed this much more.
>> 
>> LOL I've enjoyed it as well.  "Bloat" is one of those words that get 
>> thrown
>> around without really knowing what it means. (no offense to OP) If I
>> see the word in an article I want to know how the author measures
>> "bloat." To me bloat would be code loaded into memory that is never 
>> executed. dennisk
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