such ideas are often born of necessity. In my case, I need to be able to read man pages and they don't quite read right with a screen reader. -eric On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Michael Havens wrote: > that is a great idea! I wish I could have such brilliant ideas..... > > :-)~MIKE~(-: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM, eric oyen wrote: > >> I know what I should do… Recode all the man pages so that they are easier >> to read in braille. right now, trying to read a man page in braille is an >> exercise in frustration. the terminal window has that stupid bar at the >> bottom that makes reading sequentially nearly impossible without having to >> back scroll and then read more. from that point. >> >> The biggest problem I am seeing right now is that a man page editor >> included with most standard installs of Linux just isn't very accessible. >> >> Anyway, thats my take on a project I should do. It will be something to do >> while I am looking for work. >> >> -eric >> >> On Aug 27, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: >> >>> An additional thought. Once you find your programming passion, look >> around >>> for an opensource project that interests you. Spend some time helping out >>> on that project to hone your skills. There will be mentors there as well. >>> You may have to try a couple of projects to find a community that you >> like. >>> With a little hands on experience on one or more projects, you will at >> the >>> very least, have some real world development challenges/solutions to talk >>> about in an interview, something to put on your resume, and code your >>> potential employer can look at. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, keith smith >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Since I started paying attention in about 1983, there has been an >>>> overwhelming demand for developers. However the other side of this >> coin is >>>> gaining entry. For me finding that door was not easy. >>>> >>>> One thing life has tough me is most employers are looking for skills >> and a >>>> track record, even for the entry level position. >>>> >>>> My suggestion is first to determine what your passion about. Then learn >>>> it and do something on your own. You might want to find a mentor who >> has >>>> experience in that area. The mentor can guide you in what you will >> need to >>>> know to be entry level and what types of things you might do to show you >>>> have at least entry level skills. >>>> >>>> Once you have decent skills you may want to keep your day job and start >>>> doing side projects until the demand for your side projects over takes >> your >>>> day job. This may be counter indicated for trying to find a job. I do >> not >>>> know this for a fact, however I hear some or most employers do not like >>>> those who are entrepreneurial. However if you would like to be on your >> won >>>> this is a good plan. >>>> >>>> If working for yourself is not for you, then you might start contacting >>>> hiring managers and pitch yourself. This will allow you to learn about >> the >>>> demand and what it takes to get one of those jobs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Keith Smith >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Trent Shipley >>>> *To:* "plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>; >>>> AzIPA >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2013 5:48 PM >>>> *Subject:* First Job >>>> >>>> I would like a very entry level job in programming or in reporting. I'm >>>> not worried about the offshore competition. The advertisements say that >>>> after 5 years you make 60-80 K as a programmer. >>>> >>>> I have a degree in mathematics from 1989, a Master of Science in >>>> Information Management (from 2009), and more semesters than not I take a >>>> computer course at the community college. I recently finished two >>>> semesters of C#. I've take CS 205 in Java, but that was over 8 years >> ago. >>>> I just finished the first semester of Java. I am now taking SQL Server. >>>> >>>> I am working on a Certificate of Completion in Programming at Rio >> Salado >>>> Community College. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, the ads tend to ask for a 4 years Computer Science degree >>>> and a year of experience (presumably as an intern or employed in your >> field >>>> while still a student.) >>>> >>>> Also, I make in the low 40's with good benefits as an administrative >>>> assistant, and it looks like entry level jobs don't come close. >>>> >>>> Do I have a chance without leaving Phoenix? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss