I do, mostly my lab, but I have it running on a residential connection, and only the mid/20mb package. I can ipsec or ssl-vpn to my asa, and do what I need to remotely when on business from my lte router from my internal network. I don't use a lot of bandwidth (aside from personal usenet reaping), it's mostly internal stuff with vmware, various linux systems, ad controllers to play with, storage, and a host of other vm's, but it amounts to quite a few. That mostly stays gige within my house though. I nat everything out one address, and vpn in for everything else. I'm planning to go business services once I actually need higher uptime than I get now (ie someone to come when it breaks asap), and they're good for it. Pro-tip - If you have a relation with a cox account manager (or know someone at times) from bigger businesses with fiber connectivity or such, you can sometimes get a deal as a "teleworker" package personally, which amounts to "bulk" connectivity for business service cable to aggregate their workforce on cox connections with business-level mttr. Generally its the highest-service level package, business response, and ~$80 dollar price tag at last check. It's usually kind of a hook-up deal, but depends if your business account manager likes you spending money with them, and enough of it. :) -mb On 07/28/2012 11:51 AM, keith smith wrote: > "I couldn't run the small datacenter in my house with it though.". -- > Are you using Cox to do this? > > I home office and twitched from a consumer package to a business package > so I would have the ability to run a server. I ran a server part time > for testing only. I was testing out the Qmail Toaster. > > I had a bad experience running a server about 10 years ago. I left the > email relay open and was exploited. Since then I have been leery of > running server out of my house. > > My cable connection has been very stable with just a couple of outages. > I think those outages where on my consumer connection. I do not think I > have had any outages since twitching. > > I'd be interested to hear if you are using Cox for your home based data > center. > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Fri, 7/27/12, Michael Butash //* wrote: > > > From: Michael Butash > Subject: Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 10:33 PM > > Qwest/CL DSL has always proven spotty *at times* with anyone I've > ever known using it. As a network guy I inquire with fellow geeks I > know, and they let me know. Generally the residential side of > Qwest/CL fairly weak on troubleshooting most issues because of > simple physical problems that often cannot easily be overcome with > 2wire systems. If you can get VDSL, it's decent from what I've > heard, as long as you have new wiring, in a new area, and live close > to where every they dropped the local dslam. Most fall NOT into this > category. > > Data comes in the form of modulation, and consider 10baset requires > 4 wires still, gig ethernet 8. 2-wire is poop compared to the > modulation and speed capable on _shielded_ coax. Qwest has simply > had to push the envelope with dsl tech to remain relevant in the > market, eventually resorting to new wiring (twisted-pair i think), > often with some shielding now to achieve it which is hardly > traditional for a telco outside of business service. Eventually they > had to begin to roll fiber as they were reaching unpractical > limitations in their 2wire tech to modulate data at *competitive > speeds*. > > Fixed point-to-multipoint ala old sprint broadband and various > others operate in parts that do it too now, sometimes a decent > alternative where available I've heard (cave creek area). At least > until it is oversubscribed to hell. Sprint acquired independents > here in town setting them up, but ultimately they oversold it to > death, and finally shot it in the head to finish years later. Not > sure this isn't the eventual outcome of any wireless deployment. > > Satellite is a last-resort option with as stated, latency and > bandwidth caps (extreme point-to-multipoint far, far away). > > If celco's weren't so greedy/proud of wireless LTE tech, it would be > decent as a fixed solution as well as mobile as latency and > throughput is much improved. I couldn't run the small datacenter in > my house with it though. I can however get a LTE EHWIC for a Cisco > router now that customers can and do use as a "backup" solution when > someone back-hoe's your businesses fiber. > > Qwest/CL fiber deployment, like fios is "pon", passive-optical > network based. These are not to be confused with anything like > optical ethernet, sonet, dwdm, etc that are "active" optics. Cable, > dsl, most non-optical (generally) are subject to async behavior as > you have a small modem, and a very large cmts and active amplifier > network driving very large coax feeds at headends and active optical > from there. Fiber doesn't have so much those physical limitations so > long as the laser can use power in the diode to shoot your frames > from here to there some ways (active zx single-mode optics can shoot > 60km for gige, raman based dwdm amps much further). PON is a > cost-effective way of aggregating fiber in a controlled fashion as > you somewhat would a copper plant, only now the techs roll with > portable fusion splicers and otdr's instead of qam test kit for coax. > > Cable is where it's at, when fiber is not. I've too worked at cox, > and actually back to @home and offshoot isp back in the day when > they started the tech before cox as media whores figured out what IP > was. The modulation and timing that drives docsis 3.0 is very > scalable for a copper means, and it's nothing cox will need to dig > up and replace anytime soon. Other than being a bit proud of > watching and working it along the way, it's solid tech. > > I have some issues with Cox ultimately, but they are one of the less > evil of the isp's out there, and generally have much improved > stability over most anything else. Generally speaking, the only time > I call them is when truly something dies (arizona is hell on coax), > as I don't require network support otherwise. I've used them off and > on a good 14 years for data, and as long as you have a clean > physical connection (modem levels can tell you/them this), it's > pretty damn solid. Business services gets you someone out to fix > your stuff asap vs. 2-3 bd, and open ports (cox blocks surprisingly > less than you might think these days on residential - not even https). > > So far pon is driving speeds comparable to cable with qam docsis 3.0 > now that they're channel-bonding to aggregate much as wireless tech > does in 802.11n. Pon is capable of 10g speed down, 2.5gb up. That is > why cox and other cable mso/isp's killed analog off, to reclaim > huge/clean spectrum to reuse for wide-band operation across more > spectrum to compete with this. They're ability with modems and cmts > channel/timing management to auto-provision docsis allows them to > optimize channel/spectrum bonding/mimo usage, allowing them to > simply keep adding more bandwidth. > > Data on cable used to be shoehorned into a small chunk of spectrum > (what good is data? cox, circa 1996). Now that wastful tech is off, > it gives them more channels to use from 200khz to 6.4mhz. Things > like qam at 128 now allows for huge modular data streams, and > diverse ones to offer assured data/video/telephony, or the "triple > play" holy grail of service provider income. Only video and wired > telephony is getting deprecated these days with personal mobile > telephony/data and the tubes. > > Speed, even stability is becoming less of an issue these days once > you get beyond 2wire poop and physical transport issues. Real > problem is they all see the decline of legacy services like video > and telephony, and now data is consuming their services so they feel > the need to manage, or queue the traffic. The routers or cmts or > dslams all have intelligent QoS capability, and by default sort your > data and queue them selectively according to their rules, not yours. > Illusion of neutrality has generally been long gone if you > understand queuing and qos concepts, as your data will always be > subject to some level of priority that comes down to src/dest ip and > port. Them over you, profitable vs. non-profitable. > > Like qwest/cl (especially with government boot on their back since > mabell) or any intelligent isp, cox has multi-1/10g devices > sniffing/tapping your data as well, looking at damn well whatever > they feel like, and probably sharing more than you care to know. Any > enterprise, or service provider worth a damn does. Most devices do > netflow, are tapped, include "lawful intercept" features, span, tap, > whatever. All your data are belong to them - encryption is your friend. > > Cox is a marketing company, and a media company - remember that. > They can, but do far less than other cable isps such as comcast. > They have the same hardware to limit bittorrent and other sharing as > comcast does, but don't. They ran usenet servers (distributing > binary files!) for years (somewhat knowingly of the warez). They > don't tromp the tubes or netflix as just about everyone does. They > have decent peering as well, but Qwest/CL overall is better due to > business relationships. > > Integrity of your personal data will prove to be the real mettle of > your service provider in the near future. It's not a matter of if > the look at your data - they do. It's a matter of how they queue it, > and whether they give, sell, or get hacked, giving up your data as a > flow, description, or entire tcpdump in pcap format. Yeah I'm a bit > paranoid, but I have built the tech for companies to do it. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network > http://www.netoptics.com/products/network-taps > http://www.netscout.com/products/service_provider/nSAS/sniffer_analysis/Pages/InfiniStream_Console.aspx > > If you read this far, take asprin. :) > > -mb > > > > On 07/27/2012 11:58 AM, jill wrote: > > > > I have to think my experience is probably atypical or they'd be > rioting > > in the streets. But, you asked I answer. :) > > > > We switched to Qwest about a year and a half ago when they ran > new fiber > > through our neighborhood in Chandler. No TV, just data on a business > > account for static IP and all ports. It was actually decent for a > good > > long while, never had to call in for support. When we called for > basic > > account stuff they were easy to work with. Speed varied quite a bit > > from the advertised 'up to' we paid for, but eh - shared dsl/cable, > > don't expect much. Then from 6/12 to 7/15 we had 6 (known) outages in > > excess of 60 minutes. Everything from failed DSLAM cards and gateways > > to 'oops we botched a vlan tag' and 'gee we don't know but hey it's > > working now'. Trying to deal with them on any of those was painful at > > best and terribly enlightening. There is nowhere in all of CL a DSL > > subscriber, including a business account, can ever sit and talk > face to > > face about their account. Only fiber/t1/pri circuit accounts get > that. > > Stores can only do sales, no account access at all. I had one call > > where I was transferred 8 times before being told that all > departments > > who could do account support were closed (at 6:30pm on a weekday, > having > > initiated the call at 4:40). Their policy is to cold transfer > calls so > > you're constantly re-explaining - been told this policy by I > think it's > > been 3 different CL reps. We're actively switching back to Cox right > > now. It's a bit pricier, but I know as both business or residential I > > can go into stores and get help if I need to and on a business cable > > account you get a real live human account rep. So if that's the > sort of > > that's important to you, it's worth considering. (full disclosure > > disclaimer: I am also a former Cox employee, but we're talking 6 > years > > ago. I've also worked for 2 other cable companies over the years > prior > > to that, so I recognize my ISP standards may be excessively high!) > > > > I don't know if something might have changed at CL recently, > especially > > with Eric's experience that they changed residential port blocking in > > June. Your mileage of course may vary, but I'd hesitate to sign a > > contract at least at first if you decide to try it out. > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss