I know this is totally OT but am asking here because you are all -younger than me and know more about this stuff, and like me, - like the philosophy of open source. Not that either of these choices is open source but here is the question; I currently use a palm Pre and have used palm for many years. If by next year someone doesn't pick up webOS I will want to choose between an android and an iphone. I lean toward android because it is NOT an apple product. But my son, who is your age, i imagine, has an iphone and says he doesn't trust google with his contacts etc. I don't trust anyone but that is beside the point, it is a fact of life of the internet that there is no real security. Besides what is to trust more with apple than google? What part of the argument am i missing here? Thanks for your input. i use my phone in my businesses and personal life. i use it for tracking for taxes and calendar. i use it when i drive a lot. i am so sad that hp gave up on web OS. thank you -- betty i. www.webcanine.com information for people who care for dogs. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss