thanks to all who answered, this looks like a project for the summer when i am stuck indoors because it is so hot outside. seems like it is a not-too-easy thing.... well, i'll keep the emails from the list and experiment around when it's over 90. :)) thx, betty i. webcanine.com --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss