Well Fonomo is kinda fun with Pidgin. I wish I could come Lisa but the 2000 miles of space can be cost prohibitive for a person like me. :) Okay I see where you are talking about the LivePerson, Kayseya and LogMeIn.... I must be one of the weird ones at least on my home computers. I do have to say there may be some laxity on my smartphone. At least as a general rule I don't automate too much of anything. I'm more hands on and I type my user names, passphrases, etc in every time. I've had Windows people get mad at me for rebooting their boxes after clearing everything in a browser and what not when I'm done. As a side note, I know of a phone someone was rooting and after the root was done port 23 telnet was opened. It wasn't before the root, and even with superuser powers they couldn't shut it off. I don't know if they tried IPTables since it was running Android. I would have to say those pop up chats and such that really first started in the Porn industry, and I have just recently noticed that major companies are picking it up for customer service, and shopping sites, etc. I don't get pop up boxes too often because browsers can handle those but the auto chat with me things bug me as an intrusion. I don't see many ads bc I use my /host.allow /hosts /hosts.deny like I should... :) Here again for the average joe most people are not going to get to my routers as I don't use a lot of defaults and do a little bit of my own engineering. I NEVER turn on remote access. In fact I found out a password for an old modem I had and changed its settings so that could be the first "gate" for me to stop the ISP from messing with router settings among others things, and looking behind the router to see what else was attached... NO no no.... The two routers I have are different classes one is a general consumer level router, and the other is small business/commercial grade router that has a few more toys in it... hehehe. I like that one router but dummy me forgot to order it with wifi... That could be a good thing though.... anyway. Money allowing the next router I need is going to in the at least $400 commercial range because I don't have a bizillion ports that I need. Switches work great. I for the most part 99.9999999% NEVER send html and ALL html, pictures etc are shut off for EVERYONE -- I trust no one when it comes to email.. Period! Working in office environments I have seen a few major viruses breakout in Fortune 10 companies. Even those people in your own company could have opened something and be infected, etc.. this was on Windows boxen, I much more take care of my own. I've been known to call family members to stop sending me the trash. Even so far as trim their fwd: fwd: fwd stuff because I don't want spammers harvesting my email off of their letters.... 99% off my browsing is https:// In fact my ssh & sshd_configs are set up for a minimum 256bit enc both ways. All the other weaker ciphers and what not I removed. You have to be at 256 bits to connect to me. With TrueCrypt is mainly the labourious time involved that I see as excessive. The big thing is if your container as a whole which contains your hidden portion and non hidden portion. If you don't watch when you open your non-hidden portion and that portion overflows onto the hidden portion.. ie you put too much junk in there. It gives no warning and takes the whole container -- hidden and non making no differences between the two. If Sam has a 80GB container and in that container makes a 30GB non hidden and 50GB hidden, and Jane comes along and reverses those numbers for example. The non-hidden or hidden don't throw up a warning it will overwrite to 50 GB destroying forever anything else that was originally there. It's almost like having a flash device and stuffing it cram full instead of leaving some breathing room consistently and then the flash just dies. -- gk --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss