Okay I have been pondering on most of this thread the past few days. Then going back and reading the news reports and other URLS that were provided. On the encryption side, let's make enemies now. Truecrypt is a PITA and very, very, very easily can damage encrypted data with the design of their open and plausible denialbility containers. The best mathematics teachers I had didn't obfuscate what the principles, concepts and abstractions of mathematics were. The presented it in a very simple manner of fact which actually lit a fire to want to learn more. I believe through my own personal tests/use that obfuscates encryption to the point that one wrong move and you lose the kitty. Now, for the second topic. Yes, I see a gross misunderstanding about pass phrases -- and entropy they need to create. Some of this is caused by developers themselves not allowing enough freedom of characters to be used in their programs. I had a key for example that was close to 300bits of entropy for a website. Firefox and Chromium were just about brought to their knees, much less my DSL connection having a cow or shutting down. Multiple that in your cache times just a measly 5-10 tabs and down comes your box. LOL. The "iron key" type usb keys that have buttons on them and AES encryption with salts plus add a time lock of some sort are sufficient for light weight travel. For a full on server or desktop experience it just doesn't work. I found a few applications that help increase entropy at a daemon level but are random enough to provide /dev/random the entropy it needs. One app is actually user and peripheral level exempt which would be great for headless servers it is called haveged. The other application which I did not try because I was looking for the type I first mentioned actually works on the noise of your sound card -- this idea was from whoever mentioned about tv cards. This application is called randomsound and is also a daemon. For example my: sudo cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail levels were < 60 when I did a pre-install check. Now my entropy_avail levels jump from 133 to 4000 every poll I make with the command above. You can see how if you are using encryption this will make for faster and stronger key enc/dec., and maybe someone can clarify but it would enable stronger and more secure connections of all sorts with any encryption. I was intrigued though by Ms. Lisa's "challenge" so to say that no matter what OS anyone is using pwn'g someones box is possible and or getting contents remotely from someones hard drives thorough their browsers is quite easily established. I would like some clarification if you not mind please. I know about Java and Java Script issues from TOR use. Flash and Active X don't do any better at leaking "private" data. I use the word private laughing all the way to the bank. This country has never had privacy. If you have ever done any sort of family trees or genealogy you understand what I am saying. Perception is reality. What has changed is technology, how fast it can spread and amount of data in the smallest state possible that is available. -- gk --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss