I would submit the relies are the answer to the original post. A debate about whether we would want it in the first place. --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Dazed_75 wrote: > From: Dazed_75 > Subject: Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX? > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 2:51 AM > What I mean is that all the responses are > about privacy and mistrust of the vendor rather than the > experiment relating to higher speed access technology and > that we could be a factor in getting Phoenix to be chosen as > one of the experiment sites which seems the purpose of the > original message. > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM, > Frank > wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 12, > 2010 at 1:31 AM, Dazed_75 > wrote: > > > Hmmm, original post and 10 replies.  And the only message > on topic is the original question to which no one gave a > response.  Very sad!!! > > I think this is all on topic: having > Google as an ISP in the Valley would give them the same > access to our data as Cox currently has (in my case.) > >  On Fri, Feb 12, > 2010 at 1:01 AM, Frank > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 > PM, Alan Dayley > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank > wrote: > > > It really isn't any different to > ISP's knowledge of our online activities > > > now... I think its actually better since Google is > fully upfront about their > > > access to our online activities! > > > Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've > never had it... I don't > > > really understand the uproar directed at Google, if > anything, its better > > > that so much is stored in one place... the more there > is, the harder it is > > > to track unless they have good reason. If you're > doing nothing illegal on > > > the internet, I don't see why people worry? > > > > If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds > like you would > > have no problem with a having a police officer follow you > and watch > > you 24/7.  After all, you would not do anything illegal, > right? > > We already have cameras on us almost > anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide > variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, > else how do they get ratings? I don't see people > stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on > freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet > privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, > unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're > not singling us out. > > > > > Your statement even points this out, it simply > isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each > person does online, there is simply too much data! With it > all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. > AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but > there isn't an actual person taking time out of their > day to see what news articles you read today or what you > downloaded yesterday. > > > > > I understand most people are much more private > than me, but I personally worry more about things like > censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have > much to hide. > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry > > > The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on > certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. >  - Thomas Jefferson > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry > > > The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on > certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. >  - Thomas Jefferson > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss