Thanks to all who responded. I guess I'll try to do a Linux install on the mac before I just give up and replace it. == Austin Godber wrote: Have you considered installing Linux on your MacBook? It seems that both the latest Fedora and Ubuntu work with little fuss on the MacBooks. Thanks Austin. I had considered this, and now that I have little interest in trying to salvage os-x, I will give that a go with a straight Linux install. I have now found quite a few others who have successfully installed PCLinuxOS (my favorite Linux distro) on Macbooks. So, if I can remap the keyboard to put the control key where it should be and eliminate the stupid, poorly placed mac "X" key and disable the caps-lock key, perhaps I can still salvage using the nice mac hardware. == Eric Cope wrote: I am blown away you had such difficulty using a Mac. I used to hate Macs. I bought one because I was sick of Windows. Its been fantastic. Sorry you had such a bad experience, although it seems your complaints are more cosmetic than anything else. How much are you selling your macbook for? Which one is it? My complaints are definitely *not* merely "cosmetic." I've always avoided Windows (except to run Pagemaker and Paint Shop Pro via win4lin as a task on my Linux systems), so my experience has almost exclusively been with *nix ... Xenix > Unix > Linux. My frustration with mac is that it strikes me as being a brain-dead quadraplegic or amputee version of *nix. (Further research has indicated that this is a common perception among *nix oriented folks.). Mac may be fine for music and movies, and playing, etc., but it is definitely not good for serious work (imho). The macbook I bought is a 15" and if I can't get it to work satisfactorily with a straight Linux install (and remapping the stupid key misplacements), I'll probably sell it for $995 obo. == Bob Elzer wrote: How much did you spend on the Macbook, and how much do you want to spend on a new laptop? What are your preferences, what does it have to have, or not have, and what do you want to do with it? The positive things about the mac that are now part of my "preferences" are, of course, it must have a working wireless, at least a 15" display (I hope a matte screen, not glossy), a slot-loading CD/DVD drive, illuminated keys (not for "cosmetics," but to see the keys in a dark airplane, etc). I prefer just a basic qwerty keyboard with no 10-key pad. A built-in camera is nice and now standard on most newer laptops. I am very intrigued with the new ASUS "instant-on" feature that boots Linux from flash memory in 8-10 seconds -- something bloat-ware M$/mac will probably never be able to do. I am also interested in the long battery life (8+ hours) that is now possible with single-core processors as Linux does not need all the horsepower that bloatware needs. I need to be able to add win98 (not xp) as a task via some virtual-ware. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss