I did: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop It loaded over 80megs of stuff, installed it, cool. I also had an update coming including a kernel patch (to 2.6.31-6) so a total reboot was in order. Switching to XFCE on login was easy, but it doesn't (yet?) ask you if this is going to be a one-time thing or a permanent change to your default desktop. OK, no sweat. Once in XFCE, everything worked fine EXCEPT the controls for dual-monitor-use are currently borked. XFCE has it's own GUI tools for that and they clearly aren't yet up on the latest xorg/Mesa/kernel/Intelvideo(?) parts. So all it could do was take my laptop screen (1280x800) and external screen (1280x1024) and make them both 1024x768 mirrored. Well that's no fun. Everything else did work though and somebody running just one screen should be able to use it as-is. Performance and stability seemed good, network manager fired up wireless just fine, sound worked, just the dual-monitor controls were hosed. I could probably hack up an xorg.conf to solve it but why bother? I jumped back to Gnome. But, for somebody with one screen, Intel video and a low-grade CPU and/or memory amount, Xubuntu and the XFCE desktop should work OK on Karmic, starting with an Ubuntu/Gnome install and adding XFCE manually. Me, I'm going to keep XFCE present in case Gnome blows up on me in alpha. Not likely but possible and a whole spare desktop gives me redundancy warm'n'fuzzies. Jim --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss