no way I would even bother without having my terms agreed to by a party who is in the position to do so. Its not asking a lot, its basically a safeguard against my time being utterly wasted. I've worked enough with these free-for-all technology groups to know what to expect of human nature. -jmz On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Bob Elzer wrote: > Now I think you're procrastinating :-) > > First you said you would do it, and let everyone decide if we liked it. Now > you don't want to. > > For all we know you might come up with a horrible design. > > You're going to have to show us what you got, before we say it should be the > new theme. > > Time to put up or....   :-) > > And if it isn't obvious, this is in FUN !!! > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On >> Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:22 PM >> To: Main PLUG discussion list >> Subject: Re: Sonoran Penguin >> >>  well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. >> Think about it... why would I do it?  I dont have any >> guarantee it 1) will be used, 2) be put in a context that >> doesnt make it look like garbage, >> 3) be attributed.  Just following here for educational purposes.   .. >> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people >> if management is introduced.  conversely, youre going to >> scare away people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). >> >>  non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an >> issue on your hands. >> >>   -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P >> Herrold wrote: >> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> > >> >>  Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear >> >> management.  Who will determine what is an 'improvement' >> and what is >> >> a total failure?  PLUG needs to grow up and harness the >> talents that >> >> we currently have in abundance.  Stop with these silly games >> >> pretending no one is running the show. >> > >> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone >> pays, or calls >> > a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone has >> root on that >> > box.   Find those answers, and you have the throat to choke. >> > >> > Unhappy with those answers?  Can't figure it out?  Fork and >> > out-perform the incumbent.  Running code talks.  This is FOSS after >> > all. >> > >> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa.  Running a LUG is hard; >> running it for >> > years and years is even harder >> > >> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll >> provide access >> > to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on a >> box that has >> > in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro Detroit LUG, the >> Tampa LUG, >> > a couple of defunct LUGs, and the Central OH LUG >> (currently).  Others >> > as well, but I fergit. >> > >> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. >> > >> > -- Russ herrold >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss