I think android is the way to go, I'm patiently waiting for verizon to get off their arse and get one. Particularly samsung seems to be about the coolest versions with something like the "bigfoot" phone with amoled display and qwerty physical keyboard if/when it comes out here: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/is-this-t-mobiles-samsung-bigfoot-with-android-amoled-and-qwe/ Android offers all the linux you need, with hackability that I would expect - with or without google's endorsement of hacks. The real apps seem to have begun trickling out, so that's where my next phone money is waiting to be spent. Get a move on verizon! I had a crackberry with my last job, and earned a new respect for them. I didn't like the fact all the apps are for-pay, but what it offered was the best email support I'd ever used. I'd used BB back in '99 when they first had their pages, and they still seem to represent the best alternative for a "buisness-centric" person requiring email messaging. Web browsing was utter crap however, basically just annoyed me whenever i was forced to use it. Phone was solid, email excellent, google maps was decent, but I didn't find much else great about it other than it's ability to suck money out of you if you want other apps. I've used windoze mobile phones for a few years (aku 2 through 6.0 software), and it's painful trying to find a version that actually 1) works with all promised features and 2) doesn't require a daily reboot like it ran a Windoze ME kernel on it. Installing apps to replace broken microsoft functionality just made the system that much more unstable. I got so sick of the bugs and quirks chasing my tail to make it work upgrading roms I went the other way and got a dumb, simple phone that does nothing more than make calls and text (samsung juke, nice *simple* phone with mp3 player). For my mobile internet fix, I ended up just getting a mini-pci verizon data card and shoved it internal to my laptop. I couldn't recommend anyone buy a WM-based phone anymore, especially if you have to interface linux with it at some point. I had an ipod touch that did everyone once jailbreaked except play music (at least loading from linux - no physical windows here). I was so annoyed by their DRM and blatant *walled garden* approach I dismissed an iPhone, and gave away the ipod. Texting or email was rather painful as well. It had more of a "stupid teenage fad" than an "enterprise-ready laptop replacement" feel than I cared to deal with. I can live without iFart and lack of any linux client support, thanks. Everything else for phones seem like its just media and cellco cartels pushing to sell you music, gps, ringback tones, and other crap no one really needs.. -mb On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 16:25 -0400, kitepilot@kitepilot.com wrote: > Thanks to everyone for the input. > I want to clarify that what I mean by "keyboard" is a full blown computer > keyboard, I can't really see myself typing iptables rules from a Blackberry > keyboard... :) > Thanks! > ET > > > > kitepilot@kitepilot.com writes: > > > So my Treo 650 died. > > Good. > > I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless > > it runs Linux). > > Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! > > > > Anyway... > > With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my "dream phone" to > > materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it > > seems that it won't happen... :( > > > > So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... > > My simple "specifications" are: > > I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH > > session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. > > > > In short, I want a "Laptop in my pocket" > > > > AND! > > (Important AND) > > I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! > > (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT > > resource) > > > > Finally, I am stuck at the moment with AT&T, but I would like something that > > I can plug anywhere. > > Any ideas? > > > > Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) > > Thanks! > > ET > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss