any astute observer knows that this is *at the least* a component of telco politics in the US. -jmz On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, keith smith wrote: > > I think they want to control the Internet so the can stop our ability to > communicate. > > Lookout the may go after Ham radio operators next. > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > From: Joshua Zeidner > Subject: Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet security > professionals > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:01 PM > >   a good clip w/ Jay Rockefeller on CSPAN : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4uJeMs0Yc > >   -jmz > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >>  Lisa, >> >>   Im not sure if youre really capturing the spirit of this proposal. >> Jay Rockefeller has been trying to find a way to put controls on the >> internet for years.  Of course were told that it's for our own safety, >> and to reduce 'systemic risk'.  What its really about is inviting the >> government into the management of our communications infrastructure >> (hardly a new theme in American history). >> >>  -jmz >> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Lisa Kachold >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Joshua Zeidner >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> just thought some here might find this informative: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://musings.denninger.net/archives/198-The-Constitution-Dies-To-Thunderous-Applause.html?ref=joshuazeidner.com >>>> >>>> -jmz >>> >>> I read the purpose of the bill, which is: >>> >>> To ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States >>> and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, >>> to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the >>> Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for >>> the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to >>> improve >>> and maintain effective cyber security defenses against disruption, >>> and for other purposes. >>> >>> I did see Denniger has some real person interests he feels threatened >>> here, >>> however, I don't read any of his fears outlined in the link you provide >>> from >>> the actual "working draft" pdf [careful opening a PDF is a serious >>> security >>> risk]. >>> >>> I have worked my whole life in this security systems economy of profit, >>> and >>> much as I hate loss of what we once fancied as "freedoms", we all saw the >>> writing on the wall with any "information technology", so I have to agree >>> wholeheartedly (after working contract for the Department of the Army) >>> that >>> these measures are certainly overdue and the budget set forth too little >>> too >>> late. >>> >>> -- >>> www.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 >>> "Contradictions do not exist." A. Rand >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss