I agree on exchange really If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without some serious work and cobbling But that email service for home or small office use is amazing On 2/19/09, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > You caught me. I know this seems like flame bait so I will try not to stoke > the fire too much > 1) You are correct about Knopix, but their are a number of specialty live > distros I have used over the years, including one base on widows xp. That > said these are primarily used for diagnostics and recovery not for every day > use. > 2) For virtualization I am still a fan of VMware and have never found a > compelling reason to change. However, if you are looking to cram your server > full of less robust, but just as secure, containers OpenVZ really does look > like your product. I have never been in this situation so I can not say how > it performs in an enterprise environment, but from what I have seen I like > it; but not as much as standard VM solutions. Then again, to me Free as in > Beer is almost as good as Free as in Freedom; for many people here this is > not the case. The nice thing about VM ware is that if all you need is simple > virtualization, you can use their free products, but if you need the power > of this mid rang and higher end products you will not find anything better > and I can almost guarantee despite the upfront price your TCO will be lower. > Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience and I know their will > their will likely be a small flame war and so I apologize. > 3) SmartMail does not look to be a true exchange substitute. Perhaps I did > not see it in my quick look at their site, but the beauty of Exchange is the > collaboration components. Even simple items like shared calendars, tasks, > contacts, public folders, etc. are the core of exchange. Not only that it > is an amassing platform for custom plug-in development extending it's > capabilities far beyond a simple mail server. Exchange really attempts to > be the perfect PIM. And, as buggy as it is I have not found a substitute > that is remotely close. Though I have been tempted by some projects like > hula or a grouping systems like Zimbra, Suger, etc. together to take over > the functions of exchange, the cost was just way to high and the return was > negligible over exchange. If all you need is mail, run postfix/SquilMail > and be done with it. If you need other functions but can not afford to run > your own exchange server and BES just outsource your email to Google. Sure > Google is no substitute for exchange either, but it is a bit closer and it > is basically free. And I take some exception at the "Exchange is hard" > stereotype. Sure it is convoluted and patchy, but so are all Microsoft > products. IMHO Exchange is no harder the any other MS server product. ;) > > Ok, now that I have dove in here, let me get the fire suit on before I get > roasted alive :) > > _____ > > From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa > Kachold > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:56 PM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: RE: new hotness? > > > No technical professional today can afford to not become familiar and > proficient with KNOPPIX including checking out the excellent O'Reilly > Knoppix Tools books that provide s-hexy solutions that defy nix arrogance to > trancend Microsoft, Apple and web systems tricks. > > As for Linux based toys and tricks (as well as alternatives to Microsoft) > you might try: > > OpenVZ: http://wiki.openvz.org/Main_Page > > Virtuozzo was built upon OpenVz which is a great FREE Open Source Linux > based Windows and Linux virualization suite should you want to play with > multiple integrated web systems on one server. Unlike VMWare OpenVZ has > great ROI cost (free) as far as bridge overhead and disk memory > requirements. > > A great cheap tool built upon OpenVz that uses Microsoft (Intead of Linux) > to create multiple virtual systems is Virtuozzo: > http://www.parallels.com/products/virtuozzo/ > > Virtual Linux platforms are wonderful for a development web environments > that can host for development QA or Disaster Recovery. > > I also recommend Vmware ESX server (now available for free download) which > allows you multiple virtual machines, including Solaris, Linux of many > versions, and Windows. > > Unlike "Open Sores" purists, I will play with an implement anything and you > can benefit from the experience with these Virts! > > Also, for those professionals locked securely with one foot in a Gates World > and the other in Linus Land, check out SmarterMail: > > It's a wonderful and very cheap alternative to Exchange/Webmail that allows > for IM/iPhone access within range, Blackberry portals, mass marketing mail > plugins, domain keys and DKM (for ensuring deliverability) and really > reliable spam scraping and virus controls via that oh so horribly "difficult > to manage" Microsoft-ish interface. > > https://www.smartertools.com/SmarterMail/Features/Windows-Mail-Server-Softwa > re-Webmail-Exchange-Alternative.aspx > > > obnosis.com | wiki.obnosis.com > | (503)754-4452 > PLUG HACKFESTS 2nd > Saturday Each Month@Noon - 3PM > >> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:51:55 -0700 >> Subject: new hotness? >> From: cryptworks@gmail.com >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >> I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and >> wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it >> worthwhile to look at. >> >> I guess part of me is tired of the flavor of the month distributions >> that are esentially something else with a new look and a slightly >> different package base or whatnot. >> >> for example Fedora Directory Server is very interesting to me, because >> whether we like it or not this will be a windows heavy world for some >> time. but what else is there that i cna really sink my teeth into. or >> even whats worth doing that with? >> >> My personal list of Distributions i have spent some real quality time with >> >> Ubuntu/Debian >> Fedora/Red Hat new and old/Centos >> Suse/Opensuse >> Gentoo >> >> and a few other that more or less were a repackage of one of the above >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >> >> Stephen >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > _____ > > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now > 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_getmore_092008> > -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss