I came to list not for one answer but for many... :-) ill have tolook at the open VZ/Virtuozzo sometime as we need a pretty hefty virtual datacenter at some point. we are useing ESXi now but the virtualcenter is horribly expensive even at the 40 some % off we would get as a not for profit. but they are slick i have to agree. and we are stuck in a Mac/Windows network and im trying to use linux where i can because it just does some thigns better. I tried centos but it pissed me off to no end just installing a simple webserver. so i am running an ubunty webserver fro some ticketing and the like.. as you might guess from some of my previous questons. And if i can find some way of offloading ome of my BB services to another machine or a non BES machine ill definately want to look at that. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss