On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Alex Dean wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Alex Dean wrote: >>> >>> You are confusing Muslim with Arab. >> >> how is he confusing them? -jmz > > The dress standards you cited are specific to UAE. There are many > Muslim-majority countries, and Arab-majority countries, where this clothing > advice would not be appropriate. Statements like "Heck of a night life they > must have, oh wait, their MUSLIM!!!!!" and "I'm saying that they way they > treat women. I will not be going." conflate Arab and Muslim, and infer the > most conservative social norms (which are most common in a place like Saudi > Arabia, but not elsewhere). You're a thoughtful man, Alex. But you didn't think about how these norms are common if not required all across the Muslim world, and even amongst European Muslims. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Wrhivp7eQ And I think that Scott might have been joking. Lets hope that he doesn't make any blasphemous cartoons. > > The link you posted makes it pretty clear that there are a variety of > standards within the UAE, nevermind in the wider Arab or Muslim worlds. You > quoted a sentence specific to workplace attire, but there are other > statements like "Outside work, anything really goes, to a limit. In the > malls, many wear jeans and t-shirts or the like, and clubbing gear is as you > would expect elsewhere." This matches the first-hand statements I've heard > from people traveling in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. > http://www.grapeshisha.com/UAE-National-clothing.html > > Hooray for me if I score popularity points. Perhaps in your infinite wisdom, you may want to take a head count of who it is these views are popular with. > That's not my goal, and your > sarcasm is unnecessary. In this country, we say what we want and we joke about what we want. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders -jmz > I see an important difference here, and I said what > I wanted to say about it. Questioning my motives by implying I have some > ulterior motive is silly. > > Craig's point is taken, though. I can just delete this stuff, and I will. > I don't have any regrets for pointing out some excessive generalization, > but I'm content to be done with it now. Apologies to anyone who found my > comments uninteresting or off-base. > > alex > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss