There was an interesting article in Wired about Comcast seems they had to learn how to be an ISP instead of a dumb pipe Cable TV provider http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/17-02/mf_brianroberts We as a group are VERY vocal minority. Most people would not even know or even be effected by Shaping or Rate limiting. I am glad though that the group exists, we are like a consumer advocate for all the people that do not know any better. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss