The ongoing way to patriotize something of that nature right now (and
since '01) is simply to state that one must allow temporary loss of
freedom to retain the liberty. (yes, I've heard this alot)

Benjamin Franklin said something almost 180 degrees to it, but I guess
it's just considered one of those obscure old people sayings that
didn't really know the problems we would run into. "People willing to
trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will
lose both.".

I have a feeling an entire coast being invaded by a foreign country is
a bit worse than today's America....

Thanks,
Dan Lund
It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
free scope.
-Niccolo Machiavelli



On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:43 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>
>
>>   interesting... I 'm really no expert in the Pentagon case, I cast
>> aspersions on the official story due to personally known facts
>> concerning the NYC scene.  After doing a few minutes of research it
>> would appear that the notion of there being a plane in the area
>> despite something other than a plane hitting the Pentagon is hardly a
>> new one:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5D2K19Y-aI&feature=related .
>> Which is interesting considering I was about to discount this camp
>> altogether due to Charles' testimony.
>>
>>   just to make it clear, I do not subscribe to any and every kooky
>> theory you may have read concerning these attacks.  The only thing you
>> may assume about my viewpoint is what I have stated here.
> ----
> I think that far more important than the various theories of
> who/what/why is the fact that the reaction to the events of 9/11 are so
> entirely out of scale.
>
> Consider that 4X more US Citizens die each year from drunk driving
> accidents. Consider that the reaction has caused the deaths of more US
> servicemen than those that died on 9/11. Consider the impact of waging a
> war that we can't pay for and what it is doing to our economy.
>
> Obviously the government has given us their accounting for the events of
> 9/11 and they are going to stick to that story. I am far more concerned
> with the loss of freedoms, the economic damage and the exploitation of
> nationalistic fervor done under auspices of those events.
>
> Craig
>
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