I know few (only one actually) cyclists who have not been hit. It has always been the cars fault. That said, I was once in a hit and run from a cyclist. I was driving in flag once, borrowed my buddies new sports car, I was at a stop sign (for a while, the merge road was busy) and out of nowhere this guy on a bicycle goes rolling across my hood. I get out to see if he is Ok and before I could say much he picked up his bike and rode on. $500 worth of damage to the car later I had a story about how I was hit by a cyclist. He was an idiot who was ridding way too fast on a set back side walk and not paying attention. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Craig White Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:41 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad? On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 10:57 -0700, Eric Cope wrote: > This has been one hell of a flame war! > Regarding biking to work, this keeps me on the side walk regardless of > Tempe laws. If a car is going to kill me, they need to jump the curb > first. Riding a bike in this town requires you to assume every single > car on the road is actively trying to kill you. A rule I ride by is > "laws of physics always trump right of way" > > On a side note, in the Netherlands, if a driver hits a bicyclist, > regardless of reason, the driver is 100% at fault. A bicyclist could > wait for a car to come down a road, then throw themselves in front of > the car, and the car is (criminally) at fault. ---- not a discussion that I was gonna participate in but this is surely relevant... http://www.azcentral.com/rsslinks/722084 Craig --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss