:-) You guys rock. Reminds me of the early '90s and the cypherpunks list which introduced me to crypto for the masses :-). http://www.creativedestruction.com/archives/000933.html http://www.creativedestruction.com/archives/000937.html http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=fisa http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=gak http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography%40metzdowd.com&q=escrow I'm getting my pubkeys ready. There may be a market for new bumper sticker: old: Keep honking. I'm reloading new: Keep sniffing. I'm loading my key pairs. Wasn't there some talk of a PGP key signing or tutorial at an installfest some months back? I finished graduate school last month and am starting to come out of that shell. ymmv, C.G. On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: >> VOIP will not shield your privacy from interception from NSA! >> >> End to end encryption is about the best one can currently do, other than >> ceasing all actions that need to be private in any place but in person. >> >> Anything with a PSTN trunk is switched to their centers (thanks Cisco). >> Anything that traverses the internet is part of current monitoring - data >> sampling. If they want to intercept your soft phone or VOIP calls that's >> all build into the monitoring model. > > Thats true... most world internet traffic goes through the US, so if > they are snooping then they have the ability to snoop anywhere. -jmz > > >> >> >> (503)754-4452 Blackberry || www.obnosis.com >> via USB PPP EDVO/CDMA on Dell Latitude PII - Kubuntu 7.10 >> >> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, keith smith wrote: >> >> From: keith smith >> Subject: Re: Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:14 PM >> >> >> That's pretty crazy stuff!!!!!! >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Keith Smith >> (520) 207-9877 >> PHP Programmer >> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> >> From: Joshua Zeidner >> Subject: Re: Spy Bill Debate Comes to an End >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 9:03 PM >> >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Carlos Macedo Gomes >> wrote: >>> I learned in a college PoliSci class that moving is a valid form of >>> political participation but >> it should likley be done as a last resort >>> :-) >>> >>> I would suggest donating to (or volunteering with) the EFF: >>> >> http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/07/09 >>> >> https://www.causes.com/fb/donations/new?cause_id=159&fp=930d7&fundraiser_id=8803368&m=9deb6 >>> >>> Also teaching folks about privacy, cryptography, and VoIP may be an >> option. >>> >>> There's also a Facebook connect to the EFF cause for those interested. >>> A couple friends of mine and are on there. >> >> you may want to watch this video before you go any further with that: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wogtTQs8Kzw >> >> -jmz >> >> -- >> "Never take counsel of your fears." - Andrew Jackson >> >> - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >> settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > "Never take counsel of your fears." - Andrew Jackson > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- powerofprimes@gmail.com Carlos Macedo Gomes _sic itur ad astra_ --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss