What I don't get about ethanol is, if it's about a domestically-produced fuel/fuel independence thing, why go E85? From what I hear, in Brazil, a lot of the cars can run on 100% ethanol, so if we get a miracle that lets us crank up ethanol production without starving the world, we can cut the petroleum industry much more out of the loop. Of course, at the end of the day, individual transportation, no matter what its form, is always inefficient. Give me a 2,000 horsepower locomotive pulling a commuter train with 500 passengers, over 500 individual cars. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Garfias To: Main PLUG discussion list Sent: Wed, 7 May 2008 6:19 pm Subject: Re: House Passes PRO IP Bill On May 7, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Craig White wrote: > ---- > and it looks like we got a choice between 2 candidates who want to > double down on the ethanol solution. As a car guy, I _LOVE_ ethanol. 106 octane means being able to run 13:1 compression on the street. However, the idea of making it from corn is a stupid one. If I was a politician running for office, the artificial constraint of a needed grain (wheat/corn) looks awfully attractive. The US is the dominant supplier of these grains, and if we keep the supplies artificially low, then we've brokered a position of power in the new food economy. I don't know if our morons running for office can think that far ahead, but if they can, I'm sure they're thinking about this. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss