Kevin, Sorry if you misread that as an attempt to insult Dennis. Im certainly not invalidating his contribution here, but it should be noted that I find the understandings of things like 'spam' and 'off topic' are a bit crude amongst the participants on this list. 'Spam', 'Off topic' and most importantly 'Relevance' are quite elusive concepts. So much so there is a company called Google that built an entire business out of it. I hear they do pretty well. Happy Friday, -jmz On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Kevin Faulkner wrote: > Calm down guy. All he did was point out a problem that exists on mailing lists. > He didn't point fingers or anything, you interpreted it differently. > Here this is more constructive. > > Thank you Dennis for pointing this out to me. > > > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:43:27PM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > On 27 Mar 2008 21:50:58 -0700, Dennis Kibbe wrote: > > > Mail clients, like Evolution & T'bird are not designed to handle mail lists where you receive a large volume of mail that can clog your inbox and which is often off topic. > > > > Dennis, Herein lies the problem- the sematics of 'off topic'. 'Off > > topic' has an entirely subjective use. For those who subscribe to > > this list to trade System Administration tips, this thread is *Off > > Topic*. > > > > > > > > One way to get around this problem is to read the list with a newsreader like pan or gnus (Emacs). You can do this at www.gmane.org by subscribing to gmane.org.user-groups.linux.phoenix. > > > > There are lots of tools available for mitigating the problems you, > > and many others before you, have identified. Blogging, Digg, Social > > Networking and many more are established methods of managing the > > problem of signal-to-noise ratios on internet based communications > > media. While I am not really that familiar with gmane, it is hardly > > the dominant solution for this class of problems. > > > > What confuses the hell out of me is why have all this legal > > overhead when these usage scenarios can be enforced with technology > > rather than stipulating acceptable behavior guidelines such as you > > have just done. I mean, this is a group for computer programmers > > right? > > > > "NO TOP POSTING!!!!!" > > > > Best, > > > > Joshua Zeidner > > > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > A news reader will let you easily "score" articles so those that you want to read rise to the top and those you don't want to read will either sink to the bottom or not show up at all. Articles also "expire" so that your news inbox is self-emptying. Your normal mail inbox is reserved for, well, mail. > > > > > > You still need to subscribe to the actual list via the PLUG site if you want to post, but you can elect to receive the digest rather than individual posts and then put yourself on "vacation hold" so even that doesn't show up. > > > > > > If you need to contact the administrator of the list that is best done thought the appropriate email address rather than posting to the list. Requests to unsubscribe and other purely admin matters are handled through this email address which is different than the one used to post or the mailman page and not by posting to the list proper. > > > > > > Dennisk > > > -- > > > "Free as in Freedom" > > > Free Software Foundation > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss