On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Erich Newell wrote: > Part 1: > Ok. I just took the time to go back and re-read the entire thread. I > don't understand what anyone is irritated / hurt / angry / annoyed at. > Someone please explain to me. Erich, Im certainly not irritated, but I got the clear indication that I am being blamed for being 'confrontational'. Remember, I did not even instigate that argument! > > Part 2: > Joshua - Just to stoke the fire a little....Did it occur to you that > maybe the creator of the app (not to speak on your behalf Kristian) may not > care about the legality of his use and may even be civilly disobedient > intentionally? Perhaps, but as I noted the latter part of my argument had nothing to do with the author of the app. It had to do with a statement concerning the legality of data scraping, that was not only highly misleading, but had zero references. Misleading the readers of this list in such a way could even lead to legal problems for them. That was the motive to my argument. If there is some crime in that, I must be have some kind of alien ethos that is totally incompatible with Joseph or Kevin. If the goal here is civil disobedience, more power to him! But I think it was made clear that the understanding of the rules being broken was minimal to start. Lets not confuse Civil Disobedience with lack of civilization ;) . honestly I don't think the real problem here is one or two people ruining the list for others, I think its about the unwillingness to accept change. If one particular person is annoying you, its very easy to fix the problem without having to unsubscribe. PLUG is a great group and has a long history, and I applaud each and member of it for everything they put in. Although perhaps Darrin doesn't think I give him enough respect, I do follow his comments here (or did) and I do recognize his thorough knowledge of BSD. And just remember, if PLUG does not embrace action and change, its going to stagnate and die. sincerely, - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss