On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Technomage-hawke > wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 February 2008 06:19, Shawn Badger wrote: > > > Other than the emails about politics which could be considered spam at > > > least by me, I can't remember the last time I saw spam on the plug mailing > > > list. Maybe it is just me though. > > > > I wasn't specifically complaining about *this* list. There are a lot of other > > lists that I have been seeing bounces from lately (and none of them I am > > subscribed to). it seems my e-mail got harvested and someone has been using > > it as a "return envelope" address. > > > > unfortunately, just about all listserv software bounces back to the given > > return address. > > > > it seems that those folks that manage listserv's have never bothered with any > > kind of spam administration (spamd and others). I have contacted several of > > the admins on some of these lists and been told that they let the package > > deal with spam (IOW, it bounces back to the "victim" and > > said victim has to deal with the mess.). > > > > now, politics that has relevance to linux or freedom of choice (in your use of > > OS) is never off topic (IMHO). the healthcare debacle we just went through > > wasn't specifically on topic, but it did provide a barometer of who was alive > > on this list . > > > > anyway. thats my beef with listserv admins who don't pay attention or do their > > jobs (and its one of the reasons I have been seeing 400 "backscatter spams" a > > day for the last week!). > > > > TMH > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > interesting; > I have read some stuff (a white paper, e.g.) about greylisting, it might > be useful for you. > Also, I have a little story to relate. > On Feb. 5, I happened to have occasion to send an e-mail to a guy > Raymond > [I had never e-mailed to before], who uses "http://www.spamarrest.com/" > for his spam arresting. NOTE, I am not hesitating to give out the guy's > e-mail address here, even though it might wind up in an archive of this > list, on a PLUG web server of some kind. > The way it worked, was, the robot detected that it did not know who > I was, (bogus or on the level), so it sent me a polite little "one-time" > e-mail message, saying [in part] > << > Due to the large amount of Spam that I am receiving, I've opted to use > SpamArrest. Please take a moment to just verify that you are a real > person and I'll get your email. > > Thanks! > > Chip > > Please click the link below to complete the verification process. > You have to do this only once. > > http://www.spamarrest.com/a2?AQNmZQxkAmcmL2u3LKW0rxOuL20ho3WaByWurJ1iozDj > > > > You are receiving this message in response to your email to Raymond, a > Spam Arrest customer. > > Spam Arrest requests that senders verify themselves before their email > is delivered. > > When you click the above link, you will be taken to a page with a > graphic on it. Simply read the word in the graphic, type it into the > form, and you're verified. > > You have to do this only once per Spam Arrest customer. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Below are the complete headers of the message that this email was > generated in response to. > [...snip...] > >> > > I do not remember for sure whether there was a CAPTCHA involved, > I think it just required me to click on that link with that very > hard-to-guess > (& presumably computationally difficult to reverse engineer) > scramble code. > ["AQNmZQxkAmcmL2u3LKW0rxOuL20ho3WaByWurJ1iozDj"] > ...obviously, the "scramble code" part of that URL (after the "a2?") > must be unique for each sender. > (for each instance of challenging something). > > I do not know how much money "http://www.spamarrest.com/" charges > (it is probably explained on their site) > but it sounds like this guy Chip uses them, > so it must be worth it, for him. > > Just a comment, > from > -- > Mike Schwartz > Glendale AZ > schwartz@acm.org Ooops! Raymond was the return-address ["From: "?] on the message from the robot. The actual address I had originally mailed to, was "Raymond Chip Lambert (IA)" I guess you can even write to him, to get his comments "if any", about how things have been going with that [junk] arresting service. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwartz@acm.org --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss