Ed wrote: > On Dec 31, 2007 6:04 PM, Erich Newell wrote: >> I read about similar problems with the stability of Cinelerra in the >> KDEnlive article I mentioned....Sorry to hear they haven't worked them >> out yet. I don't know what the process is for importing in KDEnlive, >> but for Kino you simply open the files...since they are not DV format, >> it will ask if you would like to import them. They will each appear as >> segments in DV format within the application. Just as a warning >> tho...DV is about 10 times larger than mpeg. Not sure on the actual >> numbers, but its a major difference. If Kino is unable to import them, >> then you're probably down to transcode to get them to a workable >> format. >> >> You can find the appropriate flags to feed transcode simply be getting >> the information from VLC. Play the file and while its running go to: >> "View" -> "Stream and Media Info" -> "Advanced Information". That >> should tell you everything you need to know. You may also find this >> under the file "properties" in your file browser depending on your >> desktop/distro of choice. I know under Nautilus I can see the same >> info by right clicking on the file and selecting "properties". >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2007 2:55 PM, Vaughn Treude wrote: >>> Erich, >>> I hate to bug you again, but I'm severely frustrated. I've tried about >>> 8 different encoder programs. Most work to some degree. I've decided >>> that Cinelerra (the version I have) is still is piece of garbage that >>> works sporadically if at all. I haven't yet figured out how to get >>> Cinelerra-CV on the old (2005) distro I'm using, and I don't have time >>> to attempt an upgrade at the moment. And I'm puzzled by KDEnlive, which >>> seems to want yet another format. So I still have hope for Kino. But I >>> don't know how to produce a proper DV file. Can DV files be in >>> different container formats, such as MOV and AVI? If so, I can't figure >>> out which coded to use. Wikipedia says DV uses DCT encoding, but the >>> names of codecs seem to bear little if any resemblance to the names of >>> the format? If you know what codecs (audio and video) I should use, I'd >>> be eternally grateful. If not, I'll quit bugging you. Thanks again! >>> Vaughn >>> >>> Erich Newell wrote: >>>> No I'm sorry to say the only tutorial I have for transcode is the man >>>> page...but there are several front-ends that make the job easier. A >>>> quick "apt-cache search transcode" reveals half a dozen or so under >>>> Ubuntu. I'm certain there are just as many for your distro of choice. >>>> >>>> On another note, I was reading the October issue of LJ (yes, I'm >>>> behind) which has an article on KDENLIVE...which is an another >>>> Non-Linear Editor for video. You might want to check it out (no >>>> personal experience). >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 31, 2007 10:48 AM, Vaughn Treude wrote: >>>>> Erich Newell wrote: >>>>>> I've used Kino on several occasions for exactly this purpose. It only >>>>>> works with DV format, but can import most anything that I'm aware of. >>>>>> (As long as you have the appropriate codecs loaded) >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have very unusual format needs for input / output, you could >>>>>> use transcode or vlc beore / after as well. >>>>>> >>>>> Erich, >>>>> Thanks for your help. I've installed Kino, but it does not like my MOV >>>>> files. (Error: "Failed to Load Media File.") Perhaps there is a >>>>> problem with the MOV files. I produced them with a script I found online >>>>> that calls VLC with mysterious parameters to make it do the conversions. >>>>> I suppose I will try getting transcode or some other tool to do it. >>>>> Can you point me to a good tutorial? >>>>> Vaughn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 30, 2007 8:12 AM, Vaughn Treude wrote: >>>>>>> Erich Newell wrote: >>>>>>>> I was under the impression you wanted to do some *editing*. I use VLC >>>>>>>> for streaming all the time for on-the-fly video conversion and >>>>>>>> streaming. Let me know the specifics and I'm sure I can nudge you in >>>>>>>> the right direction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just in case you want to stream HD content: you'll need to build >>>>>>>> ffmpeg and vlc from cvs...otherwise, its a simple matter of selecting >>>>>>>> a few flags. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Erich >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Erich, >>>>>>> Well yes, some very simple editing. I have two video capture files. I >>>>>>> need to trim a few seconds of the beginning and and of each file, and >>>>>>> then concatenate them together. >>>>>>> > > > Hi Vaughn - you're going to hate me... > > 1) rename copies of the files you want to work with into the > alphabetic sequence you want. > 2) burn & boot the elive CD - launch Cinelerra, cut and past the > kernel fix from the error box and relaunch Cinelerra.* > 3) add the files to your project resources - one of the defaults is to > import a bunch of files and concatenates them into one big video/audio > project. > 4) learn to navigate Cinelerra - working in the top row of the lower > left box**, place intron and outrons (not the real names) about the > bit you want to cut - hit delete button. If the next one isn't > adjacent, make sure you toggle off the inton/outron things. repeat > until you ... stuff you do in the main timeline will affect the video > & audio streams beneath it. > 5) render the new piece with the same format as the resources - it is > an option and might just work. > 6) log out & reboot into normal space - find fixed video. > 7) Cinelerra often notes that Kino is good for capture/pre/post > maipulation. DIV is like default video format and pay attention to > video/audio sync - the way it is in edit isn't always how render > finishes your work. don't panic - render. > > *ps Elive doesn't like you playing around as root - and there was > something about getting root.. try elive as the passwd. > Hmm, yes, I was hoping to avoid having to reboot the system to do editing, but that would get around the fact of my Mandriva 2005 being a bit outdated, so I will probably try that. (Eventually I'll have to update that.) Part of the problem is that I'm finding the codec- versus-container issue rather confusing. I mess with audio files a lot, and I use mostly command-line tools for that. I'd very much like to made something that would simply "extract from frame X to frame Y." So far the closest I've found is avisplit, which splits a video file into equal pieces. Thanks for the suggestion! Vaughn > I think you could finish your project after reading maybe 3 sections > of the Cinelerra CV documentation > **the bottom row of this box is also your friend ;) think interpolation > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss