well, from someone who was actually there at the forming of the current "plyg" organization, I have a couple of reminders as to why we formed it... 1. plug was more than just a small group of people who felt that it was a better alternative to windows. it was meant to also foster and cultivate growth in the FOSS community as a whole 2. most of the 'senior' members of the founding 'steering committee' were also professionals (such as administrators) who also wished to teach new users the value of alternatives to the 'microsoft model'. In these point, we have succeeded far in excess of what was originally imagined back in 1198 when the steering committee was initially formed that later became plug. one additional lesson to be gained from all this was that we needed to adapt and change in order to succeed in a world dominated by M$. in that we have also succeeded. Now, we need to move forward, to make new changes and to adapt new methods and get out of this box we find ourselves in. This will require more radical 'out of the box' thinking on the part of our younger members. in any case, as an 'old man' of the organization, I welcome new ideas. besides, what are us old greybeards supposed to do anyway? :) TMH p. I am also one of the longest running lurkers on here. :) --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss